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          >> GOOD MORNING BJORK IT IS 9:3S AUGUST FOURTH MEETING OF THE 
          [ Public Comment Period for Agenda Items.  The Commissioners Court will conduct a Public Comment Period to allow members of the public, who have properly submitted a Public Participation Form, to address the Commissioners Court regarding specific Agenda Items that are on the Commissioners Court’s Agenda.  During such Public Comment Period, speakers shall be limited to a maximum of three (3) minutes to make his or her remarks regarding an Agenda Item. Each member of the public who appears before the Commissioners Court to address the Commissioners Court regarding more than one (1) Agenda Item on the Commissioners Court’s Agenda shall be limited to a cumulative maximum of five (5) minutes to make his or her remarks for all such Agenda Items.  The maximum overall discussion time allowed for an Agenda Item, regardless of the number of members of the public wishing to address the Court on such Agenda Item, shall be limited to thirty (30) minutes.  Speaking time, to the extent possible, will be evenly allocated among speakers should more than ten (10) speakers desire to speak on the same Agenda Item.  In matters of exceptional interest, the Commissioners Court may, by majority vote, lengthen the maximum overall public discussion time allowed on a particular Agenda Item.  The Presiding Officer of the Commissioners Court reserves the right to conduct public comment regarding an Agenda Item at the time in which the item is called for the Commissioners Court’s consideration as opposed to including such public comments during this Public Comment Period.]
WILLIAMS COUNTY COMMISSIONERS COURT TO ORDER. 
          WE DO HAVE A QUORUM. WE WILL START THE MEETING WITH PUBLIC COMMENTS RELATED TO THE AGENDA. 
          OUR FIRST SPEAKER IS BILL. >> WILLIAMSON COUNTY. 
          BILL KAVANAUGH. I SIGNED UP FOR A COUPLE ITEMS. ONE QUICK NOTE IS ON 38, THE ECONOMIC DEVELOPMENT PAVING THE WAY FOR THE RICH TO GET RICHER. REMEMBER THE OLD SONG COME A PAVED PARADISE AND PUT UP A PARKING LOT. 
          WE ARE LOSING OUR WHOLE COUNTY. ANYWAY. 
          A SD AUDIT REPORTS WERE ALL GROUPED TOGETHER. 
          I USED TO BE A COMMISSIONER AND WAS THE TREASURER, AND REALLY IN THE YEARS I SPENT THERE I DIDN'T GET A WHOLE LOT DONE BECAUSE OF THE BUREAUCRACY AND SOME OF THE PEOPLE ON THE BOARD APPEARED I TRIED TO PUT THE TRUTH IN A COUPLE OF THE AUDIT REPORTS, AND THE PRESIDENT AT THE TIME TOOK ALL THESE COMMENTS OUT AND WE HAVE A LOT OF PROBLEMS WITH A NUMBER OF THINGS. 
          ONE OF THE OTHER COMMISSIONERS WANTED TO TRY TO GET SOMETHING DONE ABOUT ONE OF THE CONTRACTORS SUPPORTING THE COMMISSIONERS AND WAS BEING PAID IN ADVANCE INSTEAD OF AFTER THE WORK. THIS PROBLEM NEVER GOT RESOLVED AND HE RESIGNED. THERE HAS BEEN A BAD RELATIONSHIP. THAT CONCEPT COMES OUT OF ARIZONA, TO WHERE THEY WANT TO DO A LOT MORE THAN JUST RESPOND TO EMERGENCY SERVICES. THEY WANT TO BUILD AN EMPIRE AND PROVIDE A LOT OF OTHER SERVICES THAT REALLY HAVE NOTHING TO DO WITH EMERGENCIES. THE OTHER PROBLEM IS OVER A DOZEN YEARS AGO, I TRIED TO GET A FIRE STATION BUILT IN THE HIGHWAY 29 CORRIDOR. NOT THAT IT'S BEEN DONE THERE. 
          SO WE HAVE SOME PROBLEMS THAT DON'T GET ENOUGH OVERSIGHT. 
          39 AND 40. I'VE MADE COMMENTS IN THE PAST THAT WE REALLY SPEND A HUGE AMOUNT OF MONEY IN I T SERVICES AND STILL HAVE OUR COMPUTERS GET BROKEN INTO. 
          I'M WONDERING IF THE COURT WOULD ENTERTAIN SOME KIND OF PROCESS OF DOING AN EVALUATION ON RETURN ON INVESTMENT AND RETURN ON ASSETS. WHAT ARE WE REALLY GETTING, BANG FOR OUR BUCK. I DON'T MEAN HIRING SOME CONSULTING FIRM THAT'S THERE TO CARRY OUT THE CONCEPT THAT EVERYBODY GETS A TROPHY, SOMEONE THAT'S GOING TO DO A REAL ANALYSIS OF WHETHER WE HAVE AN EFFICIENT AND STABLE OPERATING PROCESS. IT BRINGS BACK THE OLD CONCEPT OF WHO'S REALLY BENEFITING FROM ALL THIS. 
          THE CONTRACTORS OR THE CITIZENS. >> THANK YOU, BILL. 
          OUR NEXT SPEAKER. GOOD MORNING. 
          >> GOOD MORNING. I'M A GEORGETOWN RESIDENT AND I'M HERE TO SPEAK ON ITEM 35 REGARDING NEXT STEPS FOR THE WILLIAMSON COUNTY JUSTICE CENTER PLANS. 
          MY PURPOSE SHOWING UP OVER AND OVER IS MY KIDS. 
          THEY ARE HERE TODAY. THEIR SAFETY AND THE SAFETY OF OUR COMMUNITY'S KIDS IS PRIORITY NUMBER 1. 
          THE PEOPLE YOU WORK FOR, THE CITIZENS AND TAXPAYERS COME AND HAVE SPOKEN OUT ON THIS PROJECT FOR MONTHS AND I APPRECIATE THAT THE COURT HAD SLOWED DOWN A LITTLE BIT. 
          LAST WEEK THE DISCUSSION WAS ABOUT NOT MOVING AHEAD WITH ANYTHING FROM PHASE THREE AND ONLY MOVING FUNDS TO COVER THE PUBLIC ENGAGEMENT PIECE. THE AMENDMENT TODAY INCLUDES $300,000 TO DESIGN ADJACENCY DIAGRAMS, SITE LAYOUTS, AND HOW THE COURTHOUSE AND THE JAIL WILL RELATE TO EACH OTHER, WHERE THE HOLDING CELLS WILL GO AND THE BUILDING EXTERIOR. 
          THIS IS DESIGN WORK AND THIS IS EXACTLY WHAT Y'ALL TALK ABOUT 
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NOT ADVANCING LAST WEEK. SITE LAYOUT AND DESIGN HAVE NO PLACE IN THE PUBLIC CONVERSATION RIGHT NOW. 
          THE SITE PLAN CHANGES -- NO SITE PLAN CHANGES THE FACT THAT YOU WANT TO PLACE A JAIL THAT RELEASES EVERYONE ACCUSED FROM EVERYTHING FROM MINOR CRIMES TO CRIMES AGAINST CHILDREN WHO WALK PAST A SCHOOL. LAST WEEK THERE WAS TALK ABOUT THE RISK OF THE COURT BEING ACCUSED OF JUST GOING THROUGH THE MOTIONS. I ATTENDED A SMALL LISTENING SESSION THAT FRIDAY AND THE FEELING THAT EVERYONE LEFT WITH IS THAT THIS IS CONSIDERED A DONE DEAL BY THIS COURT. 
          IF THAT'S THE POSTURE OF THIS BODY, YOU ARE INDEED JUST GOING THROUGH THE MOTIONS TO SAVE FACE AND WE WANT YOU TO TAKE THIS BACK TO THE DRAWING BOARD, FIND A MORE SUITABLE SITE THAT ISN'T NEXT TO SCHOOLS AND ESTABLISHED NEIGHBORHOODS AND NOT JUST TALK ABOUT SAFETY IDEAS AND DESIGNS TO GET A PUBLIC BUY IN. 
          IF YOU WANT TO BUILD A COURTHOUSE, THAT'S THE ONLY CONCESSION YOU'LL GET FROM ME. NO JAIL SHOULD BE NEAR ANY SCHOOL. THERE IS NO WAY TO REASON THROUGH THAT. NOTHING IN THIS PROCESS HAS GIVEN THE PUBLIC TRUST IN HOW THESE DECISIONS GET MADE. 
          TRUST IN GOVERNMENT IS ALREADY IN AN ALL TIME LOW. 
          FROM THE BEHAVIOR AND COMMISSIONER MEETINGS, DISCUSSIONS WITH COUNTY STAFF, INFORMATION REQUESTS, AND HOW COURT MEMBERS HAVE CONTINUED TO DISMISS THE PUBLIC, YOU ARE DOING THE THINGS THAT GIVE GOVERNMENT A BAD NAME. 
          THIS PROCESS HAS BEEN FLAWED FROM THE START. 
          THE PHASE ONE NEEDS ASSESSMENT GAVE US... 
          THE MATRIX THAT YOUR CONSULTANTS BUILT WEIGHTED COMMUNITY ACCEPTANCE AT 3.5% OF THE TOTAL SCORE. 
          THAT IS WHAT THE COURT DECIDED THE PEOPLE WHO LIVE AND THE SCHOOLS NEAR THE SITE ARE WORTH IN THIS DECISION. 
          PROVE TO US THAT YOU'RE NOT JUST GOING THROUGH THE MOTIONS. 
          DO THE RIGHT THING. MOVE THE JAIL SITE AND START BEING HONEST WITH THE PUBLIC'S. THANK YOU. 
          >> THANK YOU. OUR NEXT SPEAKER IS MR. JIM DILLON. MR. DILLON, PLEASE WAIT UNTIL YOU GET TO THE DAIS TO INTRODUCE YOURSELF. 
          WE DON'T DO THAT DURING THE MEETING. 
          >> I THOUGHT THEY WEREN'T ALLOWED WITHIN A THOUSAND FEET OR SO OF A SCHOOL. AS PART OF THEIR -- I. DON'T 
          KNOW. >> WELCOME. 
          >> EXPECTING THEM TO WALK TO THE NEAREST BUS STOP IF THEY ENCROACH ON THOSE THOUSAND FOOT LIMITATIONS AS PART OF THEIR CONVICTION AND SENTENCING. I DON'T KNOW, CHECK INTO IT. 
          LET'S DO... 32. 
          ELECTED OFFICIALS WANT A SALARY INCREASE. 
          OTHER COMPENSATION, AND SUPPLEMENTS. 
          IT SAYS ON AGENDA ITEM NUM NUMBER 32. 
          IN ADDITION TO THEIR EXORBITANT SALARY AND EXCESSIVE COMPENSATION THAT THEY'RE ALREADY RECEIVING. 
          IS THIS THING ON? >> YES, SIR. 
          >> SO YOU GET PER DIEM ANY TIME YOU CROSS THE COUNTY LINE ON SO-CALLED OFFICIAL BUSINESS. YOU GET YOUR MEALS AND HOTEL EXPENSES, EVEN IF YOU DON'T STAY. 
          COMPENSATION, SUPPLEMENTS. THAT'S WHAT IT SAYS, I DON'T KNOW WHAT THAT EVEN MEANS. YOU WANT A SALARY INCREASE. 
          I'M WONDERING WHERE THE PUBLIC SERVICE ASPECT OF YOUR JOB WENT TO. HAS IT JUST DISAPPEARED? YOU CALL YOURSELF PUBLIC SERVANTS. 
          SERVED THE PUBLIC. TRY WORKING FOR WHAT THE AVERAGE WORKING AMERICAN HAS TO TAKE HOME. 
          YOU WON'T LIKE IT. THEY DON'T GIVE SUPPLEMENTS, STIPENDS, PER DIEM, OTHER COMPENSATION, PAID VACATIONS, HOLIDAYS WITH PAY, MARTIN LUTHER KING'S BIRTHDAY IS DOUBLE TIME AND PAID TIME OFF. HALLOWEEN AND VALENTINE'S DAY. 
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PAID VACATIONS EVERY YEAR. I'VE NEVER HAD A PAID VACATION, EVER, IN MY ENTIRE LIFE. OR A DAY OFF WITH PAY. 
          EVER. AND I WORK HARDER THAN Y'ALL DO. 
          MAYBE I SHOULD JUST TAKE ONE. I CAN DO IT ANY TIME I WANT. 
          AND THEN IF YOU DON'T LIKE THE SALARY THAT YOU'RE RECEIVING AS A PUBLIC SERVANT, YOU COULD GO INTO THE PRIVATE SECTOR AND FIND OUT HOW IT REALLY IS. IT WOULD BE LIKE A WAKE-UP CALL FOR Y'ALL. A MAJOR SHOCK TO YOUR SYSTEM IS WHAT IT WOULD BE. SOMEBODY SAID YOU WERE OVERPAID AND UNDERWORKED. I CHALLENGE YOU TO ACCEPT A 50% PAY CUT TODAY AND VOTE YES ON THAT. 
          AS AN EXAMPLE TO THE PEOPLE AND THE SACRIFICES YOU'RE WILLING TO MAKE ON THEIR BEHALF, AND YOU CAN PUT THE OTHER 50% INTO A FUND FOR CHARITY OR A BATTERED WOMEN'S CENTER, ALL KINDS OF PLACES IT COULD GO, BETTER THAN INTO YOUR PASTOR'S POCKETS. 
          -- Y'ALL POCKETS. LET'S GO TO 38. 
          SPENDING MILLIONS OF DOLLARS ON ERECTING MORE TOWERS AT EVERY LITTLE WATER CROSSING, EVERY LITTLE STREAM IN THE COUNTY. 
          IF YOU HAVE A HUNDRED YEAR FLOOD EVERY FIVE YEARS, YOU COULD EQUIP THE COPS, THE FIREMEN, THE PUBLIC SERVANTS. 
          SEE, THEY COULD DO A PUBLIC SERVICE. 
          THEY COULD GET A BULLHORN AND TRAVERSE THE BACK ROADS OF THE COUNTY WHERE THERE'S STREAMS, RIVERS, DRY RIVERS USUALLY. 
          BUT YOU CATCH ONE OF THESE HUNDRED YEAR FLOODS EVERY FIVE YEARS, YOU COULD HONK YOUR HORN AND DRIVE PAST PEOPLE'S HOMES TO ALERT THEM TO THE POSSIBILITY OF FLOODING AND THE POSSIBLE NEED TO EVACUATE IF THE WATER GETS TOO HIGH. 
          THAT WOULD BE A PUBLIC SERVICE. SOMETHING Y'ALL COULD ACTUALLY 
          DO THAT WOULD BE BENEFICIAL. >> THANK YOU, MR. DILLON. 
          I APPRECIATE IT. WE'RE GOING TO TALK ABOUT 38 BECAUSE I'M VERY PROUD OF OUR EMERGENCY SERVICES AND THE WORK 
          THEY DO. >> BUT WE DON'T NEED MULTI-MILLION DOLLAR TOWERS BLARING A CALL TO PRAYER. 
          [1. Review and approval of minutes.]
          >> THANK YOU, MR. DILLON. MOVING ON TO AGENDA ITEM NUMBER 1, REVIEW AND APPROVAL OF THE MINUTES. 
          >> EXCEPT FOR THE VERY LAST ONE, WE CAME OUT HERE AND VOTED ON, IT SEEMS TO NOT BE RECORDED. I HAD WRITTEN DOWN -- I. THINK 
          IT WAS YOU TWO THAT APPROVED IT. >> I MADE THE MOTION. 
          >> YOU MADE THE MOTION, YOU TWO APPROVED IT. 
          YOU HADN'T COME OUT YET SO THE VOTE WAS 4-0. 
          >> YOU'RE TALKING ABOUT EXECUTIVE SESSION ITEM. 
          >> RIGHT. >> MR. FAIRBROTHER, DO YOU HAVE A RECORD OF THE POST EXECUTIVE SESSION? 
          >> WAS IT 52 LAST WEEK? I FORGOT TO BRING THE OLD MINUTES WITH ME. I THINK IT WAS. 
          >> WE CAME OUT AND RESOLVED A LEGAL MATTER. 
          >> BUT WE DID NOT VOTE ON -- >> WE DIDN'T VOTE ON WHO COVERS 
          -- >> IF YOU HOLD ON A SECOND, COMMISSIONER COOK AND PULL UP THE JULY MEETING. 
          >> I WISH WE COULD GET TO THEM FROM HERE. 
          >> WE DID NOT TAKE ACTION ON 52. >> FIFTY-ONE. 
          >> WE DID THAT IN SESSION BEFORE WE WENT TO EXECUTIVE SESSION. 
          >> WE MOVED IT UP. >> WHAT DID WE DO WHEN WE CAME 
          OUT OF EXECUTIVE SESSION? >> THAT WAS A PROPERTY DAMAGE 
          CLAIM AND IT WAS ITEM 50. >> PROPERTY DAMAGE CLAIM. 
          BRITTANY WILLIAMS. >> THERE WAS NO ACTION. 
          >> THE ACTION WAS ON 50. >> OKAY. 
          I'M HAPPY WITH ALL THE OTHER PARTS OF THE MINUTES. 
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          >> BUT I THINK THEY'RE CLEAN. >> THEY'RE CLEAN. 
          WE JUST HAD THOSE NOTES WRITTEN IN MY NOTES. 
          >> DO WE HAVE A MOTION? >> I'LL MOVE. 
          >> I'LL SECOND. >> MOTION BY COMMISSIONER COOK, SECOND BY COMMISSIONER BOLES. ALL IN FAVOR? 
          [2. Hear County Auditor concerning invoices, bills, Quick Check Report, wire transfers and electronic payments submitted for payment and take appropriate action including, but not limited to approval for payment provided said items are found by the County Auditor to be legal obligations of the county.]
ITEM NUMBER 1 PASSES 5-0. NUMBER 2, HEAR FROM THE COUNTY AUDITOR. WELCOME, JULIE. 
          >> GOOD MORNING, JUDGE AND COMMISSIONERS. 
          JULIE KEELY, COUNTY AUDITOR. YOU SHOULD HAVE RECEIVED AN EMAIL LAST WEEK FOR THE FUNDING REPORT IN THE AMOUNT OF $8,869,895.93. I PLACED BEFORE YOU THIS MORNING THE SUMMARY OF ADDITIONAL TRANSACTIONS. 
          THERE WAS ONE ADDENDUM, THREE WIRES, THREE QUICK PAYMENTS, AND ONE BENEFIT PAYMENT FOR A TOTAL OF $1,212,911.99, FOR A TOTAL FUNDING REQUESTING YOUR APPROVAL OF $10,082,807.92. 
          >> I'LL MOVE TO APPROVE. >> SECOND. 
          >> MOTION TO APPROVE BY COMMISSIONER BOLES, SECOND BY COMMISSIONER LONG. ALL IN FAVOR? MOTION CARRIES 5-0. THANK YOU. 
          >> IF WE ARE GOING TO CONSENT, COULD WE MOVE 13 TO REGULAR CONVERSATION PLEASE, REGULAR AGENDA? 
          [ CONSENT AGENDA The Consent Agenda includes non-controversial and routine items that the Court may act on with one single vote. The Judge or a Commissioner may pull any item from the consent agenda in order that the court discuss and act upon it individually as part of the Regular Agenda. (Items 3 –31)]
          ITEM 13. >> SO MOVING 13 TO REGULAR AGENDA. I PRESENT THE CONSENT AGENDA TO YOU. ITEMS 3-31, MINUS ITEM 13. 
          >> I'LL MOVE. >> JUDGE, YOU'VE GOT TO MAKE A 
          MOTION ON 12. >> SO WE'RE GOING TO PULL 12 OUT 
          TO REGULAR ALSO? >> YES. 
          >> TWELVE AND 13 PULLED OUT OF CONSENT TO REGULAR. 
          ALL OTHER ITEMS ARE FOR YOUR CONSIDERATION. 
          >> THAT'S MY MOTION. >> I'LL SECOND. 
          >> MOTION BY COMMISSIONER COVEY, SECOND BY COMMISSIONER COOK. 
          ALL IN FAVOR? ALL RIGHT. 
          [12.  Discuss, consider and take appropriate action regarding the imposition or removal of optional fees for Calendar Year 2027 as authorized by the Texas Transportation Code, including the County Road and Bridge Fund fee, not to exceed $10, and the Child Safety fee, not to exceed $1.50, and the submission of the required notification form to the Texas Department of Motor Vehicles.]
CONSENT AGENDA PASSES 5-0. MOVING BACK TO ITEM 12. 
          DISCUSS, CONSIDER AND TAKE APPROPRIATE ACTION REGARDING THE IMPOSITION OR REMOVAL OF OPTIONAL FEES FOR COUNTY YEAR 2027 AS AUTHORIZED BY THE TEXAS TRANSPORTATION CODE INCLUDING THE COUNTY ROAD AND BRIDGE FUND FEE NOT TO EXCEED $10 AND THE CHILD SAFETY FEE, NOT TO EXCEED $1.50 AND THE SUBMISSION REQUIRED NOTIFICATION FORM TO THE TEXAS DEPARTMENT OF MOTOR 
          VEHICLES. >> I MOVE APPROVAL. 
          >> I THINK THERE'S SPECIFIC LANGUAGE -- 
          >> YOU DON'T HAVE TO DO A RECORD. 
          THE ITEM ACTUALLY SAYS REGARDING THE IMPOSITION OR REMOVAL. 
          SO THE COURT WILL HAVE TO TAKE SOME SORT OF ACTION. 
          I HAVE MOTION LANGUAGE HERE IF THE COURT WOULD LIKE TO CONSIDER IT THAT'S JUST TO REALLY ADOPT THE CURRENT FEES. 
          TO APPROVE THE SAME CHAPTER 502 OF THE TRANSPORTATION CODE OPTIONAL FEES FOR THE ROAD AND BRIDGE AND CHILD SAFETY FEE FOR CALENDAR YEAR 2027 THAT WERE ALSO ASSESSED IN CALENDAR YEAR 2026 BEING $10 FOR ROAD AND BRIDGE FUND FEE AND $1.50 FOR 
          THE CHILD SAFETY FEE. >> THAT'S MY MOTION. 
          >> COMMISSIONER LONG MAKES THE MOTION, SECOND BY COMMISSIONER COVEY. ALL IN FAVOR. 
          [13.  Discuss, consider, and take appropriate action on approving a Long Range Transportation Plan (LTP) transfer to close the P583 FIF Grant Match and move $450,982.19 to P382 Atlas 14 Mapping.]
MOTION CARRIES 5-0. NUMBER 13, DISCUSS, CONSIDER AND TAKE APPROPRIATE ACTION ON APPROVING A LONG RANGE TRANSPORTATION PLAN, P, TRANSFER TO CLOSE THE P583FIF GRANT MATCH AND MOVE $450,982.19 TO P382 ATLAS 14 MAPPING. 
          COMMISSIONER COVEY. >> WE ALL VOTED TO HAVE THE MAPPING PROJECT DONE, AND I THINK IT'S BEEN A VERY GOOD TOOL NOT ONLY FOR THE COUNTY, BUT OTHER ENTITIES TO SEE AS THINGS HAVE CHANGED WHERE ISSUES ARE. HOWEVER, WE APPROVED A FINAL VERSION RECENTLY, AND YET WE ARE STILL MOVING ALMOST HALF A MILLION DOLLARS INTO THIS. THE THREE ENTITIES WE HIRED, I'M NOT HAPPY THAT WE ARE STILL DEALING WITH THIS ISSUE. 
          IF WE CHANGE THE SCOPE, I GET IT. 
          WE'RE GOING TO ADD MONEY TO IT. BUT THEY NEED TO FINISH THE JOB WE HIRED THEM TO DO. AND I HOPE THEY ARE HEARING ME. 
          BECAUSE THIS IS RIDICULOUS, THAT WE ARE CONTINUING TO PUT MONEY INTO IT. SO FINISH YOUR JOB THAT WE HIRED YOU TO DO, GET IT DONE QUICKLY. THANK YOU. 
          >> ANY OTHER COMMENTS FROM THE COURT? JULIE, ANY INFORMATION CONCERNING THIS ITEM? 
          >> IT WOULD BE BOB. >> OKAY. 
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          >> AND IT'S NOT ON BOB, IT'S ON THESE ENTITIES TO GET THE JOB 
          DONE THAT WE HIRED THEM TO DO. >> ALL RIGHT. 
          >> JUDGE, I'LL MOVE APPROVAL. >> MOTION BY COMMISSIONER BOLES 
          TO APPROVE. >> SECOND. 
          >> SECOND BY COMMISSIONER COOK. ANY MORE COMMENTS? ALL IN FAVOR? THREE IN FAVOR. 
          ALL AGAINST? TWO AGAINST. 
          DID YOU GET THOSE VOTES? THANK YOU. 
          [32.  Discuss, consider and take appropriate action on salaries and other compensation for Fiscal Year 2027 to include, but not limited to, Elected Officials' salaries and supplements.]
          MOTION CARRIES. >> THANK YOU, JUDGE. 
          >> ALL RIGHT. MOVING ON TO THE REGULAR AGENDA ITEM 32, DISCUSS, CONSIDER AND TAKE APPROPRIATE ACTION ON SALARIES AND OTHER COMPENSATION FOR FISCAL YEAR 2027 TO INCLUDE BUT NOT LIMITED TO ELECTED OFFICIALS SALARIES AND SUPPLEMENTS. PLEASE WELCOME ELLEN FREDERICK. 
          -- ALAN FREDERICK. >> GOOD MORNING, JUDGE AND COMMISSIONERS. ALAN FREDERICK, CHIEF PEOPLE OFFICER OF WILLIAMSON COUNTY. CAN YOU GET THE PRESENTATION PULLED UP PLEASE? I'M NOT SEEING IT ON THE SCREEN. 
          ALL RIGHT. WE WILL SEE WHERE WE ARE AT. 
          THANK YOU ALL. EACH TIME THIS YEAR, WE COME AROUND AND DISCUSS THE COMPENSATION FOR THE COUNTY, SPECIFICALLY TALKING ABOUT THE SALARY STUDY THAT WAS DONE AND ANY TYPE OF MERITS THAT WE MAY BE RECOMMENDING TO KEEP OUR EMPLOYEE PAY IN LINE WITH COMPARABLE GROUPS THAT WE COMPARE AGAINST. AND OTHER ENTITIES AROUND THE AREA. MISS ANDY, CAN YOU ADVANCE THE SLIDE, PLEASE? THE CLICKER ISN'T WORKING. 
          THAT MIGHT WORK. AMAZING, THANK YOU. 
          EACH YEAR, WE LOOK AT THE BUREAU OF LABOUR STATISTICS CONSUMER PRICE INDEX TO COMPARE ACROSS THE COUNTRY AND OUR MARKETS WHERE WE SIT AS FAR AS SALARIES GO AND COMPARE TO THE MARKETS THAT WE COMPARE AGAINST, WHICH ARE THE DALLAS FORT WORTH AREA AND THE HOUSTON AREA. RIGHT NOW LOOKING BACK LAST YEAR, WHEN WE WENT INTO THIS DISCUSSION, WE WERE TRENDING SOMEWHAT DOWN AS FAR AS CPI WENT. 
          WE THOUGHT THAT WAS GOING TO HOLD IF THINGS WENT FORWARD WITH EVERYTHING IN THE WORLD STAYING THE SAME. 
          BUT AS YOU ALL KNOW, NOTHING IN THE WORLD STAYS THE SAME FOREVER. SO WE'VE HAD SOME CHANGES. 
          THIS YEAR IN THE MAY STUDY THAT THE BUREAU DID, THE DALLAS AREA WAS AT 2.6% CPI. THAT BASICALLY SAYS THE COST OF GOODS OVERALL FROM ONE YEAR AGO WAS UP 2.6%. 
          UP UNTIL RECENTLY, THE MAY TIME FRAME, THE HOUSTON MARKET WAS ABOUT 1.6%. IN JUNE, THE MARKET REFLECTED A PRETTY HEAVY DOWNWARD SHIFT. JUST LOOKING AT THE THINGS THAT MIGHT HAVE IMPACTED THAT, THE MAJORITY OF STUDIES SHOW THAT THAT CPI DATA DECREASED IN THE HOUSTON MARKET JUST DUE TO OIL AND GAS PRICES. SO THINGS IN THE WORLD ECONOMY IMPACT THE CPI. SPECIFICALLY TIED TO THIS SEEMS TO BE THE CONFLICT THAT'S GOING ON OVERSEAS IN THE STRAIT OF HORMUZ. THINGS GOT CLEARED UP A LITTLE BIT THERE, AND SEEMS TO HAVE IMPACTED THE OIL AND GAS PRICE AS, WHICH IMPACTS OTHER THINGS IN THE MARKETS. 
          THAT'S WHY THE SHARP DECREASE FOR THE HOUSTON MARKET. 
          IF WE LOOK OVER ALL, IF YOU TAKE THE AVERAGE OF BOTH OF THOSE YOU'RE LOOKING AT 2.6% OR .8% FOR HOUSTON IF THAT HOLDS. 
          THERE IS SPECULATION THE TREND MAY NOT HOLD DEPENDING ON WHAT HAPPENS OVERSEAS. SO WE ARE KIND OF IN A PATTERN 
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OF CROSSING OUR FINGERS AND HOPING THINGS STAY THE SAME. 
          BUT LIKE WE SAID BEFORE IT MIGHT NOT. 
          SO LOOKING AT THIS, WHAT WE ARE GOING TO BE TALKING ABOUT TODAY ARE RECOMMENDATIONS RELATED TO CPI DATA AND WHAT WE ARE GOING TO RECOMMEND FOR THAT AS WELL AS THE OTHER STUDY PROCESS, RESULTS, AND 10-YEAR CHARTS WHICH ARE FUNDED ANNUALLY FOR LAW ENFORCEMENT. WE SUPPORT OUR LAW ENFORCEMENT. 
          I KNOW YOU ALL DO. SO WE WANT TO GO AHEAD AND FUND THOSE STEPS FOR THE LAW ENFORCEMENT ENTITIES THAT WE HAVE. AND LOOKING AT THE PAST FEW YEARS, YOU CAN SEE THAT THE COURT HAS APPROVED THE LAST FEW YEARS THAT HAS BEEN PRETTY GOOD. THAT WAS LOOKING BACK AT THE CPI DATA AND WHERE WE NEEDED TO BE TO BE IN A GOOD PLACE AS FAR AS SALARIES GO COMPARED TO OUR MARKETS. 
          WE APPRECIATE EVERYTHING THE COURT HAS DONE IN THE PAST AND LOOKING FORWARD TO WHAT YOU CAN HELP US DO GOING FORWARD TO BE IN A GOOD PLACE WHEN WE ARE TRYING TO HIRE AND RETAIN PE PEOPLE. THIS YEAR, RECOMMENDATIONS FROM THE DATA THAT WE COLLECTED AND REVIEWED FROM THE SALARY STUDY MARKET INDICATE THAT THE MERIT RECOMMENDATIONS FOR THE COLA, COST OF LIVING ALLOWANCE, SHOULD BE AT 2% BASED ON THE CPI DATA. 
          AND LOOKING AT THE MARKETS THAT WE COMPARE AGAINST, MERIT, WE SHOULD BE AROUND 3% RANGE. SO ABOUT 5% TOTAL. 
          I PERSONALLY FROM A BUSINESS STANDPOINT THINK THAT THE MERIT SHOULD BE A LITTLE HIGHER AND THAT DEPARTMENTS SHOULD USE MERIT TO REWARD THOSE EMPLOYEES THAT ARE CONTRIBUTING AT A HIGHER LEVEL. SO SOME OF THAT CAN BE ADJUSTED TO HAVE THOSE LESS CONTRIBUTING TO BE AT A LOWER LEVEL, AND SOME OF THAT FOR THE HIGHER CONTRIBUTING EMPLOYEES TO BE AT A HIGHER LEVEL. SO THAT GIVES A LITTLE MORE FLEXIBILITY ON THE MERIT SIDE OF THINGS. 
          THE COLA ITSELF IS FLAT ACROSS THE BOARD FEE THAT IMPACTS ALL COLA ELIGIBLE EMPLOYEES, INCLUDING ELECTED OFFICIALS. 
          SO THE RECOMMENDATIONS ARE THERE FOR THE 2% COLA AND 3% MERIT. 
          IF YOU LOOK AT THE COST OF THAT IT'S AROUND $7 MILLION. 
          FOR THE LNC CHART RECOMMENDATIONS, AND THE STEP INCREASES FOR THOSE AROUND 2.3 MILLION. 
          IF YOU NOTICE ON THAT SLIDE, AT THE BOTTOM IT SAYS IT DOES NOT INCLUDE ELECTED OFFICIALS OR ASSOCIATE JUDGES. 
          WE'LL TALK ABOUT THOSE SEPARATELY. 
          BUT IN ASSOCIATION WITH THAT, PER THE POLICY THE OFFICES WOULD RECEIVE 1% MORE TO ALLOW THEM SOME FLEXIBILITY FOR TAKING INTO CONSIDERATION THE SMALL NUMBERS IN THEIR OFFICES. 
          YOU NOTICE ALSO ON THE SLIDE THAT THE COST ABOVE DO NOT REFLECT ANY ADDITIONAL FY27 APPROVED NEW POSITIONS. 
          THOSE ARE SEPARATE. SO THAT WOULD NEED TO BE TAKEN INTO CONSIDERATION AS WELL GOING FORWARD, UNDERSTANDING ANY NEW POSITIONS WILL NEED TO BE TAKEN INTO CONSIDERATION FOR THAT. 
          SO THAT DOESN'T INCLUDE THOSE COSTS. 
          AND UNDERSTAND THAT THESE COSTS I'M GIVING YOU TODAY ARE NUMBERS THAT WERE PROVIDED TO US FROM OUR BUDGET OFFICE. 
          THEY ARE NOT EXACT NUMBERS. THEY ARE ESTIMATES FOR WHAT AT THE TIME WE THOUGHT THESE WERE GOING TO BE. 
          SO IT'S NOT GOING TO BE EXACT FIGURES. 
          BUT THE BUDGET ORDER WILL REFLECT THE EXACT NUMBERS AND THE BUDGET OFFICE WILL HELP US KEEP UP WITH THAT AND BE ABLE TO 
          REPORT ON EXACT TOTALS. >> I HAVE A QUICK QUESTION. 
          THANK YOU FOR YOUR WORK ON THIS AND THANKS TO THE BUDGET OFFICE AS WELL. I'M CURIOUS WHY WE DON'T USE THE 
          GREATER SAN ANTONIO AREA. >> FOR THE CPI DATA THEY DON'T REPORT ON THE AUSTIN MARKET. SO WE ARE BASICALLY HAVING TO LOOK AT THE CLOSEST MARKETS THAT WE CAN GET DATA ON FROM THE BLS. 
          >> BLS STANDS FOR? >> BUREAU OF LABOUR STATISTICS. 
          THEY'VE GOT QUITE A BIT OF INFORMATION RELATED TO OUR MARKETS. BUT HISTORICALLY, THEY'VE ONLY 
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REPORTED DATA FOR THOSE TWO MARKETS, NOT THE AUSTIN MARKET. 
          THAT MAY CHANGE GOING FORWARD ON THIS AREA AND HOW THINGS CAN TEND HERE. SO HOPEFULLY AT SOME POINT THEY WILL TAKE THAT INTO CONSIDERATION AND BE ABLE TO GET US A LITTLE CLOSER TO HOME. I DID LOOK AT DATA RELATED TO THIS AREA AS MUCH AS I COULD FIND. 
          I KNOW SOME MEMBERS OF THE COURT ASKED ME TO TAKE INTO CONSIDERATION AND LOOK TO SEE THE VALUE OF A DOLLAR AND WHAT THAT HAS DONE OVER THE PAST COUPLE YEARS. 
          WE TOOK THAT INTO CONSIDERATION HERE AS WELL. 
          ALSO, AT THE BOTTOM, THE GRANT FUNDED POSITIONS. 
          ONE THING TO REMIND FOLKS OF, IF WE HAVE GRANT FUNDED POSITIONS, THE FUNDING MUST BE AVAILABLE FOR THEM TO GIVE THESE INCREASES IF THEY CHOOSE TO DO THAT. SO UNDERSTAND THOSE GRANTS HAVE TO HAVE THE MONEY ON THEM IN ORDER FOR THE MONEY TO BE GIVEN OUT OF THE GRANTS. SO FOR ELECTED OFFICIALS IN THE SALARY STUDY, AND WHEN WE SAY SALARY STUDY WE TAKE THE MARKET THAT WE'VE RECOMMENDED BY POLICY AND TAKE THE JOBS AND COMPARE AGAINST OTHER ENTITIES THAT HAVE THESE SPECIFIC JOBS. 
          ELECTED OFFICIALS IS PRETTY EASY. 
          THE DATA IS THERE, EASILY ABLE TO BE FOUND. 
          FOR THIS YEAR, THE ELECTED OFFICIALS INCREASES, INCLUDING 2% COLA AMOUNTS TO $411,099. FOR THE COUNTY ASSOCIATE JUDGES, THERE ARE STATUTES AROUND THOSE POSITIONS THAT WE MUST FOLLOW IN ORDER TO GET THEIR COMPENSATION CORRECT. 
          THE TOTAL AMOUNT FOR THOSE SALARIES IS 189... 
          FOR ALL THE JUDGES TOTAL. SO THOSE ARE WHAT WE WERE GOING TO BE RECOMMENDING FOR THOSE POSITIONS. 
          >> AND THOSE ARE GIVEN TO US BY THE STATE, AND THEY'RE BASED ON 
          10-YEAR. >> THEY ARE. 
          THERE'S A 10-YEAR CHART. WE FOLLOW THE TENURE CHART FOR THOSE POSITIONS. SO THE RESULT OF THE SALARY STUDY, ROUND 2.3. EVERY THREE YEARS WE DO A SALARY STUDY FOR POSITIONS IN CERTAIN PARAMETERS. 
          EACH YEAR WE BRING FORTH FROM THE COMPENSATION TEAM, WE ASK THE COURT TO APPROVE THE POSITIONS THAT WE ARE GOING TO DO THE STUDY ON. AND AHEAD OF TIME, ALL APPROVED THOSE AND WE GO THROUGH THE CYCLE AND THE COMPENSATION TEAM REVIEWS THOSE, REACHES OUT TO OTHER ENTITIES, GETS THE DATA AND COMPILES IT AND FROM THAT WE MAKE RECOMMENDATIONS. 
          THIS YEAR OUR COMPENSATION TEAM REVIEWED 445 POSITIONS. 
          27 DIFFERENT CLASSIFICATIONS. THE POSITIONS WITH GREAT CHANGES AMOUNTED TO 355 POSITIONS WITH TITLE CHANGES OR 32. 
          THE POSITION CHANGES AND GRADE CHANGES DEPEND ON THE MARKET AND WHAT THAT REFLECTS. THE GRADE CHANGES THEMSELVES, THE DUTIES OF THE JOB AND IF THE DUTIES REFLECTED IN THE MARKET ARE AT A HIGHER LEVEL, OUR JOBS MAY MOVE UP IN GRADE. 
          THE GRADES THEMSELVES DON'T AUTOMATICALLY MEAN A SALARY INCREASE, BUT IT JUST MEANS THEY MOVE UP ON THE CHART THAT THEY ARE ASSOCIATED WITH. THE POSITION FOR TITLE CHANGE IS DEPENDENT UPON WHAT FLSA GUIDELINES SAY IT FALL UNDER. 
          THEY COULD MOVE FROM AN EXEMPT POSITION TO A NONEXEMPT POSITION OR A NONEXEMPT TO EXEMPT POSITION. 
          SO TALKING ABOUT TITLE CHANGES, WE TRY TO REFLECT LEGALLY WHAT WE NEED TO DO AS WELL AS MAKE THE JOB POSITIONS LINE UP WITH WHAT WE KNOW THE MARKET IS. THAT HELPS US BE EASIER ABLE TO IDENTIFY THE JOBS THAT ARE THERE. 
          CERTAIN POSITION TITLES ARE USED IN THE INDUSTRY. 
          >> YOUR DEPARTMENT HAS BEEN WORKING ON THAT PART, TITLE CHANGES FOR A WHILE. I KNOW WE CHANGED A LOT IN THE PAST. 32 SEEMS LIKE A LOT. 
          WHY DO WE CONTINUE TO HAVE TITLE CHANGES? OUR OTHERS CHANGING THEIR TITLES AND WE ARE TRYING TO KEEP UP? 
          >> YOU CAN TAKE MY JOB FOR INSTANCE. 
          PREVIOUSLY I THINK IT WAS SENIOR DIRECTOR OF HR. 
          NOW I'M THE CHIEF PEOPLE OFFICER. 
          THAT TITLE IS USED OUT THERE. I ACTUALLY MET ANOTHER CHIEF 
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PEOPLE OFFICER THIS WEEKEND AT A CREDIT UNION WHO USED TO BE A SENIOR HR DIRECTOR. THAT DEPENDS UPON THE INDUSTRY. 
          THINGS CHANGE, TITLES CHANGE. JOB THEMSELVES CHANGE. 
          THINK ABOUT WAREHOUSE WORKERS. WHAT WE USED TO CONSIDER WAREHOUSE WORKERS, NOW A LOT OF TIMES THEY ARE CONSIDERED A TYPE OF COORDINATOR. SO IT DEPENDS ON AUTOMATION AND 
          TECHNOLOGY AND OTHER THINGS. >> THANK YOU. 
          >> A LOT TO TAKE INTO CONSIDERATION AS WELL. 
          WE APPRECIATE OUR COMPENSATION TEAM. 
          TOTAL COSTS WITH FRAMES WHICH DOES NOT INCLUDE THE ELECTED OFFICIALS FOR THESE CHANGES IS $734,601. 
          ANOTHER THING WE TAKE INTO CONSIDERATION EACH YEAR IS OUR RETIREE PACKAGE. ONE THING THAT WE CAN SAY IS WE DO HAVE A LUCRATIVE RETIREMENT PACKAGE. 
          I CAN SAY THAT PERSONALLY FOR MYSELF, COMING FROM OUTSIDE INDUSTRY AND ENTITIES I WORKED FOR PREVIOUSLY. 
          HISTORICALLY SPEAKING, ON THE BOTTOM LEFT THERE, YOU CAN SEE THE RECOMMENDATIONS FOR THE PAST FEW YEARS HAVE RESULTED IN AN INCREASE IN THE COST FOR THE COUNTY. 
          LAST YEAR WE DID NOT RECOMMEND THAT INCREASE. 
          AFTER CONSIDERATION, THIS YEAR IS AN INCREASE DUE TO WE ARE IN A GOOD POSITION AT THIS MOMENT. IF YOU SEE OVER TO THE RIGHT, RECOMMENDED RATE FOR CONTRIBUTION FROM THE COUNTY IS AT 15%. THE REQUIRED RATE IS 14.40 WITH A 1% COLA INCREASE. THAT'S STILL PRETTY STRONG. 
          I WILL SAY THAT THIS 1% INCREASE DOES REFLECT NUMBERS WISE ABOUT A $300,000 INCREASE. ONE THING THAT I WOULD ASK GOING FORWARD IS POTENTIALLY PUTTING TOGETHER A TEAM TO LOOK AT LONG TERM FEASIBILITY OF THE COUNTY BEING ABLE TO SUPPORT THE INCREASES. ONE THING THAT I FOUND OUT FRIDAY FROM OUR REPRESENTATIVE WAS THAT EACH YEAR, IF WE GIVE AN INCREASE, IT IMPACTS THOSE RETIREES CURRENTLY IN THAT POOL. 
          SO UNLESS WE CONSISTENTLY GIVE AN INCREASE GOING FORWARD, IT'S GOING TO IMPACT DIFFERENT PEOPLE. 
          AND FOR LACK OF A BETTER WORD, A FAIRNESS STANDPOINT, I THINK WE NEED TO CONSIDER THAT AND SEE WHAT WE THINK IS THE RIGHT THING TO DO PHILOSOPHICALLY FOR THE COUNTY GOING FORWARD, KNOWING THAT EACH YEAR IS GOING TO BE A SIGNIFICANT COST. 
          1 PERCENT DOESN'T SOUND LIKE MUCH, BUT WHEN YOU PUT DOLLARS TO IT IT REPRESENTS ABOUT $300,000. 
          AND THAT I DON'T TAKE LIGHTLY. BUT RIGHT NOW WE ARE IN A PRETTY STRONG POSITION TO WHERE OUR REQUIRED RATE IS ACTUALLY LESS THAN WHAT WE ARE PROJECTED TO BE PUTTING IN. 
          FROM AN AUDITOR'S STANDPOINT, IT SEEMS LIKE WE ARE PRETTY STRONG RIGHT NOW. BUT AS YOU ALL KNOW, PUTTING MONEY INTO SOMETHING THAT WE DON'T KNOW THE FUTURE OF, SOMETIMES WE NEED TO GIVE THAT SOME CONSIDERATION. 
          KNOWING THAT IT MAY RESULT IN HIGHER COST IN THE FUTURE AND NOT HAVING THE MONEY TO UPHOLD IT. 
          >> THE THING I'VE ALWAYS APPRECIATED ABOUT THE WAY THIS SYSTEM IS RUN IS IT'S THE MOST STABLE ONE BAR NONE OF MOST OTHER STATES, DISTRICT RETIREMENT SYSTEMS. I APPRECIATE THAT. BUT ALSO, THE WAY TCRS -- TCDRS MANAGES HAD, IT'S IN BETTER SHAPE THAN OTHER STATES. 
          IT'S A CHALLENGE, BUT WHEN WE LOOK AT -- IT HASN'T HAPPENED THE LAST FEW YEARS BUT THERE WAS A LOT OF DISCUSSION ON LEGISLATURE ABOUT RETIREMENT SYSTEMS A FEW YEARS AGO. 
          AND THIS ONE WAS NOTED AS A WELL RUN ONE. 
          >> I THINK THE STATE APPRECIATES THAT NOW. 
          I RECENTLY WENT TO THE TCDRS CONFERENCE AND THEY WERE TALKING ABOUT THAT, HOW THE STATE SEES THAT ONE IS WELL RUN. 
          YOUR POINT IS, SHOULD WE CONTINUE TO GIVE COLA TO RETIREES. I THINK THAT'S WHERE YOU WANT TO GO WITH THAT. I THINK WHAT YOU'RE RECOMMENDING 
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HERE, I JUST WANT TO CLARIFY, YOU'RE SAYING 15%. 
          WE ONLY HAVE TO PUT 14.4 IN. BUT THAT 15 ALLOWS FOR A 1% COLA. IS THAT CORRECT? 
          I'M LOOKING AT OUR AUDITOR. >> I'LL LET JULIE SPEAK TO THAT, 
          BUT -- >> IT INCLUDES IT THOUGH. 
          IT'S NOT IN ADDITION TO. WE'RE GOING TO ADD MORE TO IT. 
          >> THE ACTUAL CALCULATED RATE TCDRS WOULD REQUIRE FOR FISCAL YEAR 27 IS 14.18. GIVING THE RETIREES A 1% COLA TAKES THAT CALCULATED REQUIRED RATE TO 14.4. 
          I'M RECOMMENDING THAT WE CONTINUE TO CONTRIBUTE 15%, WHICH HAS BODED WELL FOR US THE LAST SEVERAL YEARS, AS YOU CAN SEE ON ALAN'S SLIDES. THE RATE HAS DROPPED FROM OVER 16 AND WE ARE PAYING IN 15. OUR REQUIRED RATE IS LESS THAN THAT. IT ALLOWS US TO CONTINUE TO KEEP THAT RATE STABILIZED AND NOT HAVE THAT FLUCTUATE FROM YEAR TO YEAR IN TERMS OF THE MARKET AND WHAT THAT MAY DO TO TCDRS INVESTMENTS AND/OR OTHER RELATED EMPLOYER COSTS. 
          >> WE HAVE A LIABILITY AND WE ARE PAYING IT. 
          >> SO THERE'S NO OVERALL INCREASE TO THE BUDGET BY ADDING THAT 1% COLA? I WOULD RECOMMEND THAT WE CONTINUE TO PAY THE 15% IN ORDER TO CONTINUE TO BUY OUR LIABILITY DOWN AND KEEP THE CALCULATED RATE LOW. 
          >> WHICH BY THE WAY, BECAUSE WE DO SEE OVER TIME WHAT HAPPENS WHEN THINGS ARE NOT GOOD AND WE WOULD HAVE TO PUT IN MORE, WE ARE TRYING TO LEVEL IT OUT AND THAT HELPS US. 
          >> WE HAVE YEAR OVER YEAR INCREASES FOR ABOUT THREE OR FOUR YEARS IN A ROW. WHEN WE GOT TO THE 16, I THINK IT TOOK ABOUT TWO YEARS AND THEN WE SAW IT START TO DROP. 
          IT WASN'T DROPPING DRAMATICALLY, SO WE RECOMMENDED KEEPING IT AT THAT 16%. I THINK THE FIRST YEAR WE PAID THAT ADDITIONAL AMOUNT IT WAS ROUGHLY 800,000. 
          ASHLEY HAS CALCULATED PAYING THIS ADDITIONAL AMOUNT WOULD BE 
          APPROXIMATELY 1 MILLION. >> THANK YOU. 
          >> AND SPEAKING TO THE RETIREMENT SYSTEM, RECENTLY I MET WITH OUR REP AND HE DID CONFIRM WE WERE 1 OF 32 COUNTIES NOW WITH A 250% MATCH AT 7% THE EMPLOYEE PUTS IN. 
          THAT'S A VERY STRONG RETIREMENT. THERE HAVE BEEN ABOUT SEVEN MORE COUNTIES ADDED TO WHERE WE ARE AT. 
          SO THAT'S GOING TO GIVE US SOME STATS ON WHAT THEY PUT IN FOR COLA INCREASES IN THE PAST NUMBER OF YEARS AS WELL. 
          BUT THE RECOMMENDATION THIS YEAR WOULD BE A 1% INCREASE. 
          >> SO THAT TOTALS ROUGHLY 300? >> YES, MA'AM. 
          >> SO BASICALLY IT'S $11 MILLION TOTAL INCREASING COMPENSATION. 
          >> CORRECT. THAT DOES NOT INCLUDE THE NEW POSITIONS THAT MAY OR MAY NOT GET APPROVED. 
          >> THANKS, ALAN. >> THANK YOU. 
          ANY MORE QUESTIONS? >> I HAVE A COMMENT. 
          AS YOU KNOW, I HAVE STRUGGLED WITH THIS RECOMMENDED INCREASE IN ELECTED OFFICIALS SALARIES. I TRULY BELIEVE IF 2% IS DEEMED SUFFICIENT FOR OUR EMPLOYEES, IT SHOULD BE SUFFICIENT FOR US. 
          IT'S NOT LIKE WE'RE GOING TO RUN AWAY TO ANOTHER COUNTY AND MOVE HOMES AND RUN FOR OFFICE BECAUSE THEY PAY MORE. 
          IT JUST DOESN'T WORK THAT WAY. I REALLY THINK I'M PAID FINE, AND WE GET COLA EVERY YEAR, AND THAT'S ADDED UP OVER THE YEARS FOR US. EVERY THIRD YEAR THERE'S A SALARY STUDY AND ALL OF A SUDDEN THERE'S A BIG JUMP FOR ELECTED OFFICIALS. I BELIEVE IT'S WRONG. 
          >> WE DISCUSSED THE POLICY ON WHAT THE COUNTY DOES AND WHY THEY DO IT. TAKE US OUT OF THE EQUATION OR OTHER ELECTED OFFICIALS, DESERVE TO BE COMPENSATED FAIRLY. 
          I THINK IT WOULD BE GOOD FOR EVERYONE TO HEAR THE POLICY, WHAT WE DO, HOW OFTEN WE DO IT, AND WHY WE DO IT. 
          >> AS FAR AS THE SALARY STUDY GOES FOR ELECTED OFFICIALS, EVERY THREE YEARS WE LOOK AT ELECTED OFFICIALS PAY AND COMPARE AGAINST OUR MARKET GROUP, WHICH OUR BELL, DENTON, 
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MONTGOMERY, TRAVIS COUNTY. WE TAKE THE ACTUAL PAY FOR THE ELECTED OFFICIALS AND TAKE THE MEDIAN OF THAT AMOUNT, AND THAT'S WHERE WE WANT TO BE AS A MARKET. 
          NOW UNDERSTAND THAT THE DATA THAT WE ARE PULLING HAPPENS RIGHT AFTER THE SALARY STUDIES ARE VOTED IN EACH YEAR. 
          SO WHENEVER A GROUP IS VOTED THROUGH THE COURT IN OCTOBER OF THE PREVIOUS YEAR, WE START DOING SALARY STUDIES. 
          WE START REACHING OUT TO THOSE COUNTIES AND ASK THEM FOR THE DATA THAT THEY ARE CURRENTLY PAYING ELECTED OFFICIALS. 
          ONCE WE GET THAT DATA, WE LOOK AT WHERE THINGS STAND, WE WANT TO BE AT THAT MEDIAN POINT. WHICH IS NOT THE HIGHEST PAID POINT AND IT'S NOT THE LOWEST PAID POINT. 
          WE ARE SAYING WE'RE AT THE MEDIAN. 
          SO THAT NUMBER THAT WE BRING FORTH IS THE NUMBER I GAVE YOU TODAY PLUS 2% COLA. BY THE TIME WE GET THINGS VOTED ON TODAY, THOSE COUNTIES THAT WE COMPARE AGAINST ARE GOING THROUGH THE SAME PROCESS AND GETTING OUR DATA AS ONE POINT OF REFERENCE AND WHATEVER ELSE THAT OTHER COMPARABLE COUNTIES MAY USE OR OTHER ENTITIES OR OTHER DATA. 
          THEY DON'T SHARE EXACTLY THEIR PROCESSES WITH US. 
          BUT BY THE TIME WE GET VOTED IN, WE ARE ALREADY WORKING OFF OF OLD DATA. SO THAT'S WHY THE 2% COLA INCREASE IS IMPORTANT TO GET Y'ALL AS ELECTED OFFICIALS UP TO OUR COMPARABLE MARKET AND NOT FALL BEHIND. 
          BECAUSE IT'LL BE THREE YEARS AGAIN BEFORE WE LOOK AT Y'ALL INDIVIDUALLY. THAT THREE YEARS, THEY MAY ALREADY BE PAYING EACH YEAR TO THEIR ELECTED OFFICIALS. 
          >> ANY MORE COMMENTS FROM THE COURT? 
          >> SO THE PROCESS IS SIMILAR TO WHAT WE DO WITH OUR EMPLOYEES IN TERMS OF LOOKING AT MARKET COMPARABLES. 
          IT'S BASICALLY THE SAME PROCESS. >> CORRECT. 
          >> JUST A REMINDER, LAST YEAR WE DID LAW ENFORCEMENT. 
          THE YEAR BEFORE WE DID -- WHAT DID WE DO TWO YEARS AGO? 
          >> I WOULD HAVE TO LOOK IT UP. I WASN'T IN THIS POSITION TWO YEARS AGO. BUT WE HAVE GROUPS ALREADY IDENTIFIED, ELECTED OFFICIALS ARE THE LAST ONES IN THE PRO PROCESS. SO EACH YEAR, LIKE IN OCTOBER WE'LL REACH OUT TO GIVE YOU ALL THE MARKETS THAT WE'RE GOING TO LOOK AT, THE JOBS, AND ASK YOU ALL IF THAT'S OKAY FOR US TO DO THE SALARY STUDY ON THIS NEXT GROUP GOING FORWARD THIS COMING 
          YEAR. >> THANK YOU AND YOUR TEAM FOR 
          ALL THE WORK YOU'VE DONE. >> ANY MORE QUESTIONS? 
          >> NO MORE DISCUSSION. DO I HAVE A MOTION? 
          >> SO THIS IS PART OF THE BUDGETING PROCESS. 
          DO WE NEED TO TAKE A MOTION TODAY? SHE'S INCLUDING THIS INFORMATION IN THE BUDGET. 
          >> SO WE CAN TABLE IT, WE CAN ALSO -- THAT GIVES US OUR TIMELINE IF YOU'D LIKED IT OFFICIALS WANT TO. 
          >> WE HAVE TO VOTE ON THE ELECTED OFFICIALS. 
          UNFORTUNATELY THE LAW REQUIRES A PROCESS FOR ELECTED OFFICIALS IF 
          THEY... >> THAT'S WHY I WAS ASKING WHAT 
          THE TIMELINE IS. >> YES. 
          BY STATUTE, AS SOON AS SHE SET THE SALARIES FOR THE ELECTED OFFICIALS, THAT KICKS OFF THE TIMER. 
          THEY HAVE FIVE DAYS AS SOON AS THEY SEND OUT THEIR NOTICE OF THE SALARY THAT'S BEING SET. THEY HAVE FIVE DAYS TO RESPOND AND FILE A GRIEVANCE. THE DAY THEY FILED THE GRIEVANCE, A HEARING MUST HAPPEN WITHIN TEN DAYS BY A COMMITTEE THAT'S ALREADY BEEN DRAWN OUT OF A HAT. 
          IF IT DOESN'T GET DONE TODAY BY THE 11TH SO THAT WE CAN BE MEETING ALL THOSE DEADLINES. SO JUDGE, WE CAN DO WHATEVER WE 
          WANT. >> I'M GOOD EITHER WAY. 
          IT WOULD BE NICE TO SEE WHERE IT FITS IN THE BUDGET. 
          THE CHALLENGE IS -- >> IT'S ALWAYS FRUSTRATING, BECAUSE THE LAW FORCES US TO VOTE ON ELECTED OFFICIALS BEFORE EMPLOYEES. AND IT'S NOT BECAUSE WE ARE 
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PUTTING ELECTED OFFICIALS FIRST, THAT'S JUST HOW IT WORKS. 
          >> BUT MY UNDERSTANDING IS THESE NUMBERS ARE INCLUDED IN THE PROPOSED CHART. IT'S NOT GOING TO VOTE FOR THIS 
          AND NOT THAT NECESSARILY. >> THAT'S RIGHT. 
          >> IF THERE'S NO MOTION, WE WILL TAKE IT UP AGAIN NEXT WEEK. 
          I DON'T HEAR A MOTION, SO WE WILL TAKE IT UP NEXT WEEK. 
          [33.  Discuss, consider, and take appropriate action on an update on the WilCo on Workday project.]
THANK YOU. MOVING ON TO 33. 
          DISCUSS, CONSIDER AND TAKE APPROPRIATE ACTION ON AN UPDATE ON THE WILCO WORKDAY PROJECT. WELCOME, RICHARD. 
          WHILE RICHARD IS UP HERE, WHEN HE'S THROUGH WITH THIS PRESENTATION WE WILL LOOK AT AGENDA ITEMS 39 AND 40. 
          >> GOOD MORNING, JUDGE AND COMMISSIONERS. 
          JULIE AND I HAVE A VERY SHORT PRESENTATION ON THE WILCO ON WORKDAY PROJECT. THERE WE GO. 
          JUST TO GIVE THE VERY HIGH LEVEL OF TIMELINE, HERE WE ARE IN AUGUST. WE ARE GOING THROUGH THE END-TO-END TESTING PROCESS. SO WE'VE ALREADY DONE SOME DATA CONVERSION, YOU'VE ALREADY DONE INDIVIDUAL TESTS ON EACH PIECE OF THE PROCESS. NOW WE ARE GOING THROUGH COMPLETE LIFE CYCLES OF THINGS. SO EMPLOYEE RECRUITING, HIRING, PAYROLL CHANGES, THOSE SORT OF THINGS. 
          THAT'S KIND OF END-TO-END PROCESS THAT WE'RE GOING THROUGH NOW. SO FAR, SO GOOD. 
          IT'S A VERY COMPLEX PROJECT WITH A LOT OF MOVING PIECES. 
          BUT WE ARE HAPPY TO SAY THAT'S MOVING ALONG VERY WELL. 
          AT THE SAME TIME, WE ARE BEGINNING THE PREPARATION FOR 
          TRAINING. >> BEFORE YOU LEAVE THAT, I KNOW THERE HAVE BEEN SOME THINGS THAT HAVE CROPPED UP PARTICULARLY AS IT RELATES TO BUDGET THAT WE THOUGHT WERE IN THE SPECS, BUT THEY AREN'T DOING THAT WAY. HAVE WE WORKED THROUGH THOSE 
          ISSUES? >> COMMISSIONER, WE ARE CURRENTLY WORKING THROUGH THOSE ISSUES. 
          WE ARE CONTINUALLY MAKING ADJUSTMENTS AND FINDING WORKAROUNDS AND COMMUNICATING WITH A MAP AND WORKDAY. 
          >> ONE OF THE WORKAROUNDS I HEARD WAS A BIT SCARY. 
          >> I DON'T KNOW OF ANYTHING THAT'S SCARY. 
          >> THIS ISN'T UNUSUAL. WE'VE HAD THIS BACK IN 1998 WHEN WE CAME OUT. THERE'S NO PERFECT SYSTEM FOR 
          EVERY PIECE OF THE SYSTEM. >> I JUST WANT TO MAKE SURE WE'VE WORKED WITH ASHLEY AND SOME OF THE CONCERNS THAT SHE'S 
          RAISED. >> WE'RE WORKING ON THAT. 
          AND SPEAKING OF PROBLEMS, THERE'S A LIST OF ISSUES. 
          AND IF IT'S HAIR ON FIRE IT'S LISTED THAT WAY SO WE CAN ADDRESS THAT TIMELY AND KEEP US ON TRACK FOR SOME TO TAKE EFFECT IN JANUARY AND SOME IN DECEMBER. SO IT'S A TIGHT TIME FRAME. 
          I APPRECIATE THE FACT THAT WE KEEP ON THAT SCHEDULE AND IDENTIFY THOSE ISSUES THAT WE HAVE TO TAKE CARE OF. 
          >> WE'VE CERTAINLY HAD ISSUES CAME UP, AND IT'S PRETTY NORMAL. 
          NOT TO SAY THEY ARE NOT IMPORTANT. 
          WE WILL SOLVE ALL THOSE CHALLENGES. 
          BUT TO GIVE A HIGH LEVEL TIMELINE, DECEMBER 14TH, HR, PAYROLL, EMPLOYEE SELF SERVICE GOES LIVE. 
          CHECKS WILL BE PROCESSED THROUGH THE SYSTEM AT THAT TIME. 
          THEN JANUARY FIRST, ALL THE PROCUREMENT UNDER THEIR MODULES WILL BE AVAILABLE. SO WE ARE ON SCHEDULE. 
          WE ARE ALSO IMPORTANTLY ON BUDGET. 
          AND RISKS, WE DON'T HAVE ANY NEW BIG RISKS THAT HAVE CROPPED UP SINCE THE LAST TIME WE'VE BEEN HERE WE HAVE LOTS OF SMALLER ISSUES THAT HAVE NOTHING THAT THREATEN THE ABILITY FOR US TO MOVE FORWARD ON THIS PROJECT. SO WHERE WE ARE ON THE PATH TO GO LIVE HERE. WE ARE IN THE ARCHITECT AND 
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CONFIGURE PHASE. WE DID OUR UNIT TESTING AND WE DID WHAT WE CALL THESE CUSTOMER CONFIRMATION SESSIONS. 
          THROUGH THAT WE WERE ABLE TO SHOW OFF THE SYSTEM AND SEE HOW IT'S GOING TO LOOK AND THOSE SORTS OF THINGS. 
          AND TO HELP SORT OF GET THE WORD OUT AND GET DEPARTMENTS READY, WE'VE STOOD UP AND CALLED THE CHANGE CHAMPION NETWORK. 
          THAT INCLUDES I WANT TO SAY 28 PEOPLE THROUGH DIFFERENT DEPARTMENTS. THOSE FOLKS WILL ACTUALLY GET, IN SEPTEMBER WE WILL HAVE A WORK DAY EXPERIENCE SESSION AND THEY WILL GET TO SIT IN IN THE TEST ENVIRONMENT, GO THROUGH ALL SORTS OF DIFFERENT PROCESSES THAT THEY WILL DO IN THEIR JOBS. 
          SO THAT PHASE IS COMPLETED. NOW DURING THE TEST PHASE, WE ARE DOING END-TO-END TESTING NOW WHICH ENDS NEXT MONTH AND THEN TWO ROUNDS OF PARALLEL PAYROLL TESTING. 
          AND THERE'S GOING TO START BEING MORE COMMUNICATION WITH DEPARTMENTS AND STAFF ON THIS PROJECT AS WE GET A LITTLE CLOSER. THOUGH WE ARE WILCO NEWSLETTER AND ALSO ON THE WILCO ON WORKDAY PAGE. 
          NEWS ARTICLES ARE POSTED THERE. THAT SITE IS LIVE ALL THE TIME FOR FOLKS THAT WANT TO COME AND LEARN MORE. 
          AND WE ARE WORKING ON THE COMMUNICATION PLAN FOR HOW WE ROLL OUT, GO LIVE AND COMMUNICATE TO EVERYONE. 
          AS WE MOVE FORWARD TO THE DEPLOY PHASE, THAT WILL ALSO INCLUDE TRAINING. WE TALK ABOUT SOME OF THE GO LIVE DATES, BUT TRAINING IS GOING TO BE KEY. 
          WE'RE GOING TO DIG INTO THAT IN JUST A MOMENT. 
          BUT WE ARE WORKING RIGHT NOW ON TRAINING MATERIALS, WHAT THEY CALL JOB AIDS, AND THE WAY WE SUPPORT EVERYONE AS WE GO LIVE AND THEY START USING THE SYSTEM AND HAVE QUESTIONS AND ISSUES THAT COME UP. FOR TRAINING, WE WANT TO STRESS THAT 100% OF EMPLOYEES RECEIVE SOME SORT OF TRAINING. 
          GET IN, DO YOURSELF SERVICE, SEE YOUR PAYCHECK. 
          AND WE WILL CONDUCT THOSE AT VARIOUS LOCATIONS AROUND THE COUNTY. WE ALSO HAVE SOME REMOTE SESSIONS, SOME SESSIONS WERE RECORDED. 
          AND THE COUNTY SUBJECT MATTER EXPERTS WILL BE THE ONES LEADING THAT TRAINING. SO WHILE WE HAVE SOME PROFESSIONAL SERVICES TO ASSIST WITH TRAINING, IT'S GOING TO BE COUNTY STAFF THAT HELP THE TRAINING OF THE USERS. 
          WE HAVE BOTH BARRY DUNN WHO'S HELPING WITH PROJECT MANAGEMENT ASSISTING US WITH THE TRAINING NEEDS. 
          SO WE ARE GOING TO HAVE A WHOLE LOT OF JOB AID DOCUMENTS THAT ARE ALL BEING PRODUCED NOW. THOSE ARE COMING ALONG REALLY WELL, SORT OF WALKING THROUGH EVERYONE. 
          AND WE WILL ALSO HAVE VIDEOS AND THINGS TO HELP REFRESH. 
          WHICH IS IMPORTANT BECAUSE TRAINING IS GOING TO KICK OFF IN MID-OCTOBER. SO THERE MAY BE SOME FOLKS WHO GET TRAINED IN SAY LATE OCTOBER AND THEN COME GO LIVE THEY'RE GOING TO BE LIKE, I FORGOT HOW TO DO THAT. 
          SO THOSE REFRESHERS, SOME EXTRA CLASSES AND THINGS. 
          A LOT OF THOSE JOBS WILL REALLY BE IMPORTANT AS USERS. 
          TRAINING TIMING IS ALSO A LITTLE TRICKY AROUND EMPLOYEE VACATIONS, HOLIDAYS, THINGS LIKE THAT. 
          SO IT WILL BE A LITTLE EARLY, BUT WE'LL HAVE A LOT OF FOLKS IN TRAINING TO. THAT IS ALL WE HAVE ON THE 
          PROJECT TODAY. >> THANK YOU VERY MUCH. 
          ANY QUESTIONS FROM THE COURT? >> I'LL JUST MAKE A COMMENT. 
          I APPRECIATE ALL THE WORK THAT YOU ALL ARE DOING AND ALL THE PEOPLE INVOLVED. THIS IS ON TOP OF THE REGULAR JOBS. AND IT'S A LONG PROCESS, BUT WE HAVE TO GET IT RIGHT. I APPRECIATE YOUR ATTENTION TO DETAIL AND MAKING SURE. ALSO, THE TRAINING IS GOING TO BE IMPERATIVE. THAT EACH DEPARTMENT THAT USES ANY OF THESE SYSTEMS LEARNS HOW TO DO IT. 
          SO THAT IT'S DONE RIGHT, THERE'S NOT FRUSTRATION OR DELAYS AND THERE'S GOING TO BE OPPORTUNITY FOR YOU TO LEARN. 
          YOU JUST HAVE TO MAKE SURE THAT YOUR DEPARTMENTS ARE ENGAGED IN THAT TRAINING PROCESS. THANK YOU. 
          >> COMMISSIONER, THANK YOU FOR MENTIONING THOSE THINGS. 
          WE HAVE ABOUT 40 TEAM MEMBERS WORKING ON THIS CONTINUALLY AND KEEPING UP WITH THEIR DAY-TO-DAY JOBS. 
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THIS WEEK, WE HAVE THE HR TEAM AND PART OF MY PAYROLL TEAM OFF SITE FOR THREE FULL DAYS WITH OUR CONSULTING FIRM WORKING ON END-TO-END TESTING. NEXT WEEK WE'LL HAVE ALL OF THE FINNS GROUP WHICH IS ENCOMPASSING MY TEAM, PURCHASING, SHELLEY WITH OPEN ENROLLMENT, THOSE TYPE OF THINGS. THREE DAYS OFF SITE, WORKING IN END-TO-END TESTING. AND THE TEAM IS KEEPING UP WITH THEIR DAILY JOBS PRETTY WELL. WE APPRECIATE THEM FOR THAT. 
          I WOULD LIKE TO STRESS, EVERYONE IS AFFECTED BY THIS CHANGE. 
          WHETHER IT'S YOUR OPEN ENROLLMENT, WHETHER IT'S HOW TO CHANGE YOUR W-4 OR, HOW TO CHANGE YOUR BANK ON YOUR PAY STUB. PLEASE STAY TUNED, WATCH FOR THE TRAINING. ONE OF THE CHANGES THAT I KNOW ASHLEY RECOMMENDED THROUGH POLICY IS GOING TO ALLOW FOLKS TO DO THEIR LINE ITEM TRANSFERS THROUGH WORKDAY. 
          IT TOUCHES EVERY DEPARTMENT IN SOME FORM OR FASHION. 
          EXPENSE REIMBURSEMENTS, PURCHASE REQUISITIONS. 
          PLEASE STAY TUNED TO THE TRAINING SCHEDULE. 
          IT'LL BE VERY IMPORTANT FOR EVERYONE TO ATTEND. 
          THANK YOU. >> I WANT TO ECHO WHAT COMMISSIONER COVEY SAID. THIS IS A MAJOR SYSTEM CHANGE. 
          RICHARD, YOU'RE A GLUTTON FOR PUNISHMENT BECAUSE YOU'VE DONE MULTIPLE OF THESE IN YOUR CAREER AT WILKO. 
          BUT SHOUT OUT TO ALL THE FOLKS THAT ARE WORKING ON IT AND THE AMOUNT OF TIME THAT IT'S TAKING. IN ADDITION TO WHAT YOUR NORMAL WORKLOAD IS, JUST APPRECIATE THE COUNTY EMPLOYEES THAT HAVE GONE ABOVE AND BEYOND AND WORKING ON THIS. 
          AND OUR I.T. STAFF, WHO'S DOING TWO OF THESE. 
          WE ARE DOING WORKDAY WHICH IMPACTS EVERYTHING, BUT WE ARE ALSO DOING A MAJOR CAD IMPLEMENTATION AT THE SAME TIME. 
          SO THE IT STAFF IN PARTICULAR HAS RISEN TO THE OCCASION IN WAYS THAT MOST PEOPLE DON'T RECOGNIZE, BUT RICHARD, SHOUT 
          OUT TO YOUR TEAM ESPECIALLY. >> I AGREE WITH THOSE COMMENTS. 
          I'VE BEEN THROUGH SYSTEM CHANGES AND I KNOW IT AFFECTS EVERY SINGLE EMPLOYEE. I KNOW HOW DIFFICULT CHANGE IS AND I KNOW IT NEVER WORKS EXACTLY LIKE WE WANT IT TO. 
          BUT YOU GUYS HAVE GONE ABOVE AND BEYOND ON THE AMOUNT OF TRAINING PROVIDED. AND WE'LL GET INTO IT 100% IN THE NEAR FUTURE, BUT FOR EVERYONE INVOLVED WE UNDERSTAND THE DIFFICULTY IN THE CHANGE AND WE SO APPRECIATE THE TRAINING AND THE IT STAFF AND ALL THE WORK THAT THE CHANGE CHAMPIONS HAVE DONE. I KNOW IT'S GOING TO BE 
          DIFFICULT. >> THANK YOU. 
          >> NO ACTION ON THIS ITEM, CORRECT? 
          [39.  Discuss, consider, and take appropriate action to approve the Goods and Services agreement #2026-266 with CDW Government, LLC for the renewal of Palo Alto Networks firewall and Prisma Access subscriptions and support services in the amount of $106,915.80, utilizing the DIR Cooperative Contract #DIR-CPO-5363, and authorize the execution of the agreement. (Funding for this is 01.0100.0503.004500 for FY26)]
          [40.  Discuss, consider, and take appropriate action to approve the Services and Goods Contract #2027-007 for the annual renewal of the Rubrik Enterprise Backup and Security Platform Renewal from FreeIt Data Solutions, Inc, in the amount of $763,202.00, utilizing the DIR Cooperative Contract #DIR-CPO-6091, and authorizing the execution of the agreement (Funding is 01.0100.0503.004500.for FY27).]
          [41.  Discuss, consider, and take appropriate action on approving an amendment to the agreement between Williamson County and Berry, Dunn, McNeil, & Parker, LLC, originally approved by Commissioners Court on October 21, 2025, Agenda Item #36, for Information Services in accordance with Cooperative Purchasing Contract TIPS 230601 and authorize execution of the amendment. The proposed amendment adds $119,500.00 to the existing agreement to provide additional consulting hours for the creation of job aids for the Workday ERP Implementation Project and the development and delivery of training materials. This change order increases the total contract amount from $499,800.00 to a not-to-exceed amount of $619,300.00 for the life of the agreement.  Funding source P710.]
THANK YOU JULIE. RICHARD, IF YOU COULD HANG AROUND IN CASE THERE'S QUESTIONS. 
          COURT, IF WE CAN MOVE TO 39, 40 AND 41. 
          ALL THREE DEAL WITH FIREWALL PROTECTION, CYBERSECURITY, AND CRITICAL IT INFRASTRUCTURE. I WILL ENTERTAIN A MOTION ON ONE 
          OR ALL OF THOSE ITEMS. >> JUDGE, I MOVE TO APPROVE 39, 
          40 AND 41. >> MOTION BY COMMISSIONER COVEY, SECOND BY COMMISSIONER COOK. ALL IN FAVOR. 
          MOTION CARRIES 5-0. THANKS FOR ALL YOU DO TO KEEP US SAFE ON THIS CYBERSECURITY. I KNOW THAT'S A NEVER ENDING BATTLE, SO THANK YOU FOR ALL YOUR WORK ON THAT. 
          >> THANK YOU. 37. 
          >> THIRTY-SEVEN IS A NAME CHANGE ON A ROAD. 
          THEY'RE INVOLVED IN IT. THEY'RE DOING IT, BUT IT'S ON 
          [37.  Discuss, consider and take any appropriate action to set a public hearing pursuant to Tex. Transp. Code § 251.152 regarding the proposed street name change in Pct. 3 for a portion of CR 255 to Daniels Trail Rd and CR 289 South towards Ronald W Reagan Blvd, including authorization for publication in local newspapers as a notice to the public.]
          THE ROAD IN MY PRECINCT. >> WE'LL DO 37 ALSO AND I'LL TURN IT OVER TO COMMISSIONER COVEY FOR DISCUSS, CONSIDER AND TAKE APPROPRIATE ACTION TO SET A PUBLIC HEARING PURSUANT TO TEXAS TRANSPORTATION CODE 251.152 REGARDING THE PROPOSED STREET NAME CHANGE IN PRECINCT THREE FOR A PORTION OF COUNTY ROAD 355 TO DANIEL TRAIL ROAD AND COUNTY ROAD 289 SOUTH TOWARDS RONALD REAGAN INCLUDING AUTHORIZATION FOR PUBLICATION 
          LOCAL NEWSPAPERS. >> JUDGE, APPRECIATE THAT. 
          WE HAVE HAD A ROAD PROJECT THAT'S COMING TO COMPLETION FROM COUNTY ROAD 254 SOUTH TO REAGAN. 
          A PORTION OF IT IS BRAND NEW. SO IN TRYING TO NAME THE ROAD, IT'S A CONFUSING ROAD TO BEGIN WITH BECAUSE IT HAS 255 AS A PORTION OF IT AND 289 AS A PORTION OF IT. 
          THOSE TWO ROADS STILL EXIST AND WILL CONTINUE TO EXIST. 
          IN OUR PROPOSAL, THEY WILL JUST SUB INTO THE NEW ROAD. 
          DANIELS TRAIL. WE WANT TO GET WORD OUT TO FOLKS 
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THAT WE ARE HAVING THE HEARING, AND I WOULD MOVE TO APPROVE A DATE OF 8/18 FOR THE HEARING AT 10:00 AM SO WE CAN GET WORD OUT TO EVERYONE OUT THERE THAT WOULD BE IMPACTED. 
          RICHARD, YOUR OFFICE ACTUALLY HELPS US SEND IT OUT. 
          I INTEND TO SEND A LETTER IF WE VOTE ON THIS TO GET THAT DONE, AND THEN YOUR OFFICE WOULD TAKE IT FROM THERE. 
          >> YES. WE SEND DIRECT MAILINGS. 
          WE ALSO DO THE ADVERTISING. >> EXACTLY. 
          THANK YOU FOR BRINGING THAT TO MY ATTENTION. 
          IT WAS INCORRECTLY LISTED HERE AS DANIELS TRAIL ROAD. 
          IT'S ACTUALLY JUST DANIELS TRAIL. 
          THAT IS MY MOTION. >> SECOND. 
          >> SO WE HAVE A MOTION BY COMMISSIONER COVEY, SECOND BY COMMISSIONERS LONG TO CHANGE THAT PORTION OF COUNTY ROAD 255 
          TO DANIELS TRAIL. >> 255289. 
          WE'RE NOT CHANGING THE ROAD, JUST SETTING IN ORDER TO TALK ABOUT THAT. AND EACH OF YOU HAVE YOUR MAP OF WHAT THAT LOOKS LIKE. IT JUST DOESN'T EXTEND DOWN. 
          THIS IS THE PART THAT WOULD CHANGE. 
          THE NEW PART WOULD BE EXTENDING DOWN TO RONALD REAGAN. 
          IT'S JUST NOT ON THE MAP BECAUSE THAT'S NOT CHANGING. 
          >> 10:00 A.M.? >> THAT WAS MY MOTION A 
          10:00 A.M. ON THE 18TH. >> WE HAVE A MOTION BY COMMISSIONER COVEY, SECOND BY COMMISSIONER LONG. 
          ALL IN FAVOR? MOTION CARRIES 50. 
          [34.  Hear a presentation, discuss, and take appropriate action on office moves for departments that currently reside within the Justice Center or Sheriff's Offices, including remodel plans.]
          THANK YOU. >> THANK YOU FOR YOUR HELP ON 
          THIS. >> ITEM 34, HEAR A PRESENTATION, DISCUSS AND TAKE APPROPRIATE ACTION ON OFFICE MOVES FOR DEPARTMENTS THAT CURRENTLY RESIDE WITHIN THE JUSTICE CENTER OR SHERIFF'S OFFICES, INCLUDING REMODEL PLANS. 
          WELCOME DALE BUTLER AND REBECCA CLEMENS. 
          >> GOOD MORNING, JUDGE AND COMMISSIONERS. 
          DALE BUTLER, SENIOR DIRECTOR OF FACILITIES. 
          >> AND REBECCA CLEMENS, COUNTY MANAGER. 
          >> THIS ITEM WAS PLACED FOR GETTING COURT DIRECTION BEFORE WE MOVE FORWARD ANY FURTHER ON INTERIM PLANS, PLANNED REMODELS. 
          SOME OF THESE HAD SOME DESIGN WORK DONE. 
          SOME HAD NONE. BUT ALL THESE WERE ALLOCATED ON I THINK THE MAY 19TH AGENDA. SO STARTING WITH THE JUSTICE CENTER, ONE PROPOSED MOVE IS THAT THE COUNTY ATTORNEY MOVES 
          -- >> CAN YOU MOVE THE MICROPHONE A 
          LITTLE CLOSER? >> THE COUNTY ATTORNEY MOVING INTO THE PHILLIPS BUILDING WHICH HAS BEEN VACATED WHEN STAFF MOVED INTO THIS BUILDING. SO THAT WOULD GIVE THEM I BELIEVE 11 OR 12 OFFICES THAT THEY CAN MOVE INTO, NO COST EXCEPT FOR THE MOVE. SO THE MOVE COST WOULD COME OUT 
          OF OUR BUDGET. >> THE BUILDING IS READY TO GO FOR THE MOST PART. THE OTHER ONE WOULD BE, HEARING ABOUT THE DA REMODEL FOR EXPANSION INTO THE VACANT COUNTY CLERK'S SPACE. THAT ONE WOULD BE ABOUT 12 ADDITIONAL OFFICES IN THE VACATED SPACE, AND THEN THREE ADDITIONAL OFFICES IN THE DAS EXISTING SPACE THAT CAN BE REMODELED. IT WOULD ALSO BE TURNING INTO AN ACTUAL CONFERENCE ROOM FOR THE DAS OFFICE. 
          THERE'S BEEN SOME DISCUSSION AND AN AGREEMENT TO HAVE THE JURY MEET IN THE COURTROOMS, ESPECIALLY ONCE WE FINISH THE REMODEL AND HAVE A LITTLE EXTRA SPACE. 
          IT WOULD ALSO GIVE THE DA SOME FLEX ROOM FOR STAFF TO MEET AND ALSO MOVE THE LOBBY, THE RECEPTION LOBBY TO WHERE THE COUNTY CLERK'S LOBBY IS AND MAKE IT SMALLER BECAUSE THEY DON'T NEED SUCH A LARGE SPACE. I THINK THAT'S IT ON THAT SPACE. 
          AND MOVING ON TO THE COUNTY CLERK, WE ARE PROPOSING TO SHUT DOWN THE EXISTING PUBLIC BREAK ROOM AND MOVE THAT TO THE SOUTH END OF THE SECOND FLOOR. THAT WOULD ALLOW US TO EXPAND THEIR LOBBY INTO THAT EXISTING BREAK ROOM. 
          THAT BREAK ROOM IS USED AS THE ONLY TRUE PUBLIC BREAK ROOM FOR 
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THE PUBLIC AND ATTORNEYS TO MEET. 
          SO WE ARE PROPOSING TO MOVE THAT TO THE SOUTH END, TO THE EMPLOYEE BREAK ROOM WHICH IS USED SOME, BUT THERE ARE OTHER LARGER EMPLOYEE ONLY BREAK ROOMS THAT CAN BE USED. 
          VENDING MACHINES AND THINGS HAVE TO BE MOVED, SO ELECTRIC CIRCUITS AND THINGS WOULD HAVE TO BE ADDED. 
          IT'S NOT A BIG COST. ANOTHER PIECE IS SINCE WE ARE PROPOSING SHUTTING DOWN THE PUBLIC BREAK ROOM, WE ARE PROPOSING AN ATTORNEY'S ROOM, A SPECIFIC ATTORNEY'S ROOM TO MEET WITH CLIENTS. BASICALLY WHAT WAS PART OF THE COUNTY CLERK'S SPACE, IT WOULD NOW BECOME AN ATTORNEY CLIENT MEETING SPACE. THIS IS ON THE SECOND FLOOR STILL. SO WE THINK THAT WOULD WORK WELL. WE COULD BLOCK IT OFF FROM BEING 
          ABLE TO ENTER. >> AND IT HAS A DOOR TO THE 
          HALLWAY ALREADY. >> IT HAS AN EXISTING DOOR, YES. 
          I'M ABOUT TO GET TO THAT. THAT'S IN THE BASEMENT. 
          I THINK THAT'S IT IN A NUTSHELL ON THE SECOND FLOOR. 
          MOVING ON TO THE BASE BASEMENT, COUNTY CLERK WOULD ALSO NEED ADDITIONAL SPACE. WE ARE PROPOSING TO DO SOME REMODELING IN THE BASEMENT OF THE EXISTING COUNTY CLERK SPACE AND ALSO IN THE PRETRIAL SPACE TO ACCOMMODATE THE 512 AND THE 40, THE STUBBLEFIELD COURTROOM. THIS WOULD BE ADDING THE GATES REFERRED TO, WHICH IS REALLY JUST IN THE COURTROOM, SHORT WALLS. A COUPLE OF GATES THAT WOULD IMPROVE THE FLOW OF TRAFFIC FOR THE JURIES AND THE DEFENDANTS COMING IN AND OUT OF THE HALLWAY TO THE NORTH. 
          AND THE JURIES ARE IN THE JURY BOX, THERE'S ALWAYS A WAY FOR THEM TO GET OUT OF THE JURY BOX. WE WOULD ALSO ADD A DOOR TO AN EXISTING MEETING SPACE AT THE BACK OF THE COURTROOM, AND THAT WOULD BECOME THE JURY DELIBERATION ROOM. 
          I'M NOT SURE WHAT'S GOING ON WITH THAT. 
          THAT'S NOT ME. ACROSS THE HALLWAY FROM THAT COURTROOM WOULD BE A VACATED SPACE WHERE THE COUNTY CLERK WAS, WE PROPOSED TO CREATE A ROOM THERE FOR ATTORNEYS TO MEET WITH DEFENDANTS. RIGHT NOW THERE'S NOT A GOOD WAY FOR THAT TO HAPPEN IN THE BASEMENT AREA. 
          AGAIN, THAT WOULD BE MINIMAL REMODEL. 
          I BELIEVE THAT'S IT ON THE INTERIM SPACE FOR THE JUSTICE 
          CENTER. >> BEFORE YOU MOVE ON, REBECCA, I'M ASSUMING THAT YOU'VE PUT YOUR VALUE ENGINEERING TOUCH ON SOME OF THESE THINGS. WE DON'T KNOW HOW LONG, IT'S NOT 
          A FOREVER SPACE. >> YES. 
          WE DID TRY TO BALANCE THE NEEDS AND EFFICIENCIES RIGHT NOW WITH LONG TERM PLANS AND HOW LONG THEY WOULD BE IN THAT SPACE. 
          THE COUNTY CLERK'S SPACE IS INTERESTING. 
          WE LOOKED AT TRYING TO BREAK IT OUT IN A LOT OF DIFFERENT WAYS AND SCRUB WHAT WAS GIVEN TO US. BUT WITH HOW LONG AND NARROW THE SPACE IS, IT'S KIND OF DIFFICULT TO DO WORKSTATIONS AND STILL HAVE LINE OF SIGHT AND ADDRESS SOME OF THE CONCERNS. 
          WE DID MAKE A FEW TWEAKS FROM THE ORIGINAL PLAN, TRYING TO GET ANOTHER OFFICE SPACE OR TWO OUT. ONE THING I DID WANT TO NOTE, WHEN WE MENTIONED THE AREA IN THE BASEMENT WOULD BE FOR ATTORNEY CLIENT MEETINGS LIKE THAT, BUT THE AREA ON THE SECOND FLOOR IS REALLY MORE FOR ATTORNEYS. 
          A LOT OF TIMES WE SEE THEM IN THE BREAK ROOM AND THEY ARE WORKING ON DOCUMENTS OR TAKING TO LUNCH OR DOING SOMETHING LIKE THAT AND THEY DON'T HAVE A PLACE TO GO. 
          SO IN THE BREAK ROOM AREA THEY COULD MEET THEIR CLIENTS, BUT THAT WAS MORE OF AN ATTORNEY WORK SPACE. 
          JUST WANTED TO DELINEATE THE DIFFERENCES ON THAT. 
          WE DID MAKE SOME CHANGES TO THE ORIGINAL PLAN AND ADDITIONALLY FOR THE COUNTY CLERK'S AREA WITH WHAT WAS DONE TRYING TO MAKE SURE THAT WE HAD A SAFE EXIT AND ENTRY POINT AND KEPT THE WORKFLOWS MOVING. BUT I FEEL CONFIDENT THAT THE PLANE WE PUT OUT IS -- GETS EVERYBODY 90-95% OF WHAT THEY 
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WANTED. BUT IT'S EFFICIENT AND IT'S A GOOD USE OF SPACE FOR THE NEXT X NUMBER OF YEARS AS LONG AS THE BUILDING IS IN PLACE. AS WE WORK STUFF AGAIN AS NEEDED. BUT IT FIXES WHAT WE NEED TO FOR 
          THE NEXT SEVERAL YEARS. >> DEFINES SEVERAL, THAT'S MY QUESTION. THE CHANGES YOU'RE MAKING, HOW 
          MUCH TIME DOES THAT BUY US? >> AT LEAST 4-6 YEARS FOR WHAT WE ARE LOOKING AT FOR THE DA OFFICE AND THEIR OFFICE SPACE AND WHAT WE WOULD BE LOOKING AT THE BASEMENT. 
          THAT WAS THE ORIGINAL INTENT WHEN WE SET FORTH IN THIS PROCESS, WAS THAT THAT WOULD BE THE ABSOLUTE SOONEST ANYBODY ELSE WOULD BE MOVED OUT OF THE BUILDING. 
          SO IT'LL GET US AT LEAST THAT. AND WE CAN PIVOT AND LOOK AT 
          THINGS IF WE NEED TO. >> IT DEPENDS TO HOW MANY PEOPLE WE SAY YES TO. THAT'S PART OF THE EQUATION. 
          >> FOR THOSE WONDERING, THESE ALTERATIONS THAT WE ARE LOOKING TO MAKE TO THE BUILDING, THAT'S BECAUSE WE OPENED IT. 
          IF WE MOVE PEOPLE OUT OF THE JUSTICE CENTER INTO THIS 
          BUILDING. >> AND ASIDE FROM THE VERY SMALL SPACE WE WOULD BE USING TO MAKE THE 512 MORE FUNCTIONAL, IT STILL LEAVES THE BASEMENT AREA SPACE THAT WE COULD USE FOR FUTURE PLANNING OR NEEDS THAT ARISE OVER THE NEXT FEW YEARS. 
          >> AND YOU'RE HAVING CONVERSATIONS, I BELIEVE. 
          ABOUT WHO'S GOING WHERE AS FAR AS THE JUDGES ARE CONCERNED. 
          I KNOW JUDGE LAMBERTH IS RETIRING IN THAT COURT, AND THAT'S A DIFFERENT TYPE OF COURT, NOT A CRIMINAL COURT. 
          SO I THINK YOU'RE HAVING CONVERSATIONS ABOUT THAT. 
          YOU CAN UPDATE US NOW OR IN THE FUTURE. 
          >> SURE. I DON'T HAVE AN UPDATE ON TODAY. 
          I OFFERED THAT I'M HAPPY TO TAKE A LOOK AT ANYTHING. 
          THERE'S A LOT OF PIECES IN THE PUZZLE. 
          IT'S NOT JUST MOVING A JUDGE AROUND TO A BUILDING WHEN A NEW BUILDING COMES UP. IF THE COURT WOULD LIKE ME TO LOOK AT SOME OF THOSE COURTROOMS, WE ARE SHIFTING PEOPLE WOULD MAKE SENSE, I'M HAPPY TO DO THAT. 
          >> I THINK IT'S IMPORTANT ESPECIALLY WITH THE JUVENILE DETENTION CENTER OPENING THAT WE LOOK AT THE TOTAL PLAN. 
          >> AND FOR PRACTICAL PURPOSES SOME OF THOSE COURTROOMS ARE SET UP BETTER THAN OTHERS. THEY'VE BUILT BIGGER HOLDING CELLS, THERE IS BETTER ACCESS POINTS AND WAYS THAT WE ARE TRANSPORTING PRISONERS IN AND OUT OF THE BUILDING. 
          ALL THOSE CONSIDERATIONS SHOULD BE TAKEN INTO ACCOUNT WHENEVER YOU'RE ASSIGNING COURTROOMS BECAUSE SOME ARE BETTER DESIGNED FOR CRIMINAL AND SOME ARE BETTER FOR FAMILY OR CIVIL. 
          >> THANK YOU. >> LOTS OF GREAT PLANS. 
          YOU GUYS HAVE DONE A TON OF GREAT WORK. 
          LOOKING OVER MY NOTES, I DID NOT HEAR WE HAVE THE COURTROOM IN THAT BUILDING ON I BELIEVE IT'S THE FIRST FLOOR THAT'S BEING USED FOR PRETRIAL. IS THAT INCLUDED ON TURNING THAT 
          INTO A COURTROOM, OR NOT YET? >> THAT'S NOT INCLUDED YET. 
          OUR RECOMMENDATION WAS TO MOVE EVERYBODY AROUND, LET THE DOMINOES FALL. I KNOW WE HAVE A JUDGE MOVING OUT TO JUVENILE THIS SPRING, AND THEN REASSESS THE SITUATION. 
          WE ARE STILL HOLDING THAT SPACE IN THE BASEMENT AND THAT'S WHAT I REFERRED TO EARLIER IF WE NEED IT THE WE COULD DO THAT AT THAT 
          TIME. >> ANY MORE QUESTIONS ON THIS? 
          >> JUST ON YOUR QUESTION ON THE COURTROOM, THAT ITEM FOR THAT EXTRA COURTROOM IS ON THE LIST. SO YOU'LL SEE IT, BUT IT'S JUST THERE FOR YOUR DISCUSSION. AND JUVENILE IS STILL PLANNED 
          AROUND JANUARY AND FEBRUARY. >> MOVING ON, JUST SOME GENERAL UPDATES. WE ARE STILL WORKING ON GETTING SOME PERMITTING UPDATED FOR THAT SITE. 
          MAKING GOOD PROGRESS THERE. ALSO MAKING GOOD PROGRESS ON THE 911 TRAINING AREA SPACE. PROPOSING TODAY TO START TO USE THE FUNDING ALLOCATED ON THE MAY 19TH AGENDA TO POSSIBLY MOVE TO THE BUILDING. THE PROPOSAL WOULD BE TO MOVE INTO WHAT WE ARE CALLING WINGS B AND C. 
          SO KIND OF THE NORTHEAST WING AND THEN THE EAST WING. 
          WHAT WE ARE CALLING WING B IS ABOUT 20,000 SQUARE FEET. 
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AGAIN, MONEY WAS EARMARKED. I THINK ON THE 19TH, THAT WAS ABOUT 3.3 MILLION, GIVE OR TAKE. WE HAVE MET WITH THE SHERIFF AND THE STAFF AND WE HAVE A PLAN, A SCHEMATIC DRAWN UP. 
          WE WOULD ADD TO THE CURRENT ARCHITECT SCOPE TO START THAT DESIGN IF THAT WAS MOVED TODAY. SO THAT'S OUR PROPOSAL. 
          THAT WOULD GIVE THEM SOME SPACE. I WAS OVER THERE THIS WEEK, A FAIRLY SMALL ROOM AND THEY HAD 15 PEOPLE OUT OF THERE. 
          SO THE SPACE IS MUCH NEEDED, AS YOU ALL KNOW. 
          THE SHERIFF DID SAY HE WOULD HOPE THAT THE DIVISIONS THAT WERE MOVED HERE WOULD EVENTUALLY BUILD SOMETHING NEW. 
          OTHERWISE, WE DON'T HAVE ANYTHING ELSE ON THE AGENDA TODAY. BUT -- 
          >> DO WE NEED TO TAKE ACTION ON EITHER ONE? 
          >> I THINK WE DO. >> WE NEED TO GIVE THEM 
          DIRECTION. >> I'LL MOVE TO APPROVE WHAT YOU'VE PROPOSED TODAY, BOTH THE JUSTICE CENTER AND... 
          >> WE HAVE A MOTION BY COMMISSIONER COVEY, SECOND BY COMMISSIONER LONG. ANY MORE DISCUSSION? ALL IN FAVOR? MOTION CARRIES 5-0. 
          [35.  Discuss, consider, and take appropriation action on amending the Agreement for Program Management Services between Williamson County and Kitchell/CEM, Inc. relating to the Justice Complex Planning & Development Project.]
          >> THANK YOU. >> THANK YOU. 
          >> ALL RIGHT. NUMBER 35. 
          DISCUSS, CONSIDER AND TAKE APPROPRIATE ACTION ON AMENDING THE AGREEMENT FOR PROGRAM MANAGEMENT SERVICES BETWEEN WILLIAMSON COUNTY AND KITCHEL CM INCORPORATED RELATED TO THE JUSTICE COMPLEX PLANNING AND DEVELOPMENT PROJECT. 
          REBECCA. >> THANK YOU. 
          THIS WAS MY ITEM PUT ON AGAIN FOR DISCUSSION AND POSSIBLE ACTION BY THE COURT. WE HAD A CONVERSATION, I THINK IT WAS LAST WEEK, THE WEEK BEFORE LAST ABOUT AMENDING THIS CONTRACT TO PULL SOME OF THE FUNCTIONS FROM PHASE THREE INTO PHASE TWO TO COMPLETE OUR COMMUNITY ENGAGEMENT PIECE. 
          THE AMENDMENT ATTACHED IS MY RECOMMENDATION NOT ONLY FOR THE COMMUNITY ENGAGEMENT, BUT FOR THE FOLLOW UP FROM THE CONSULTANT THAT WE'VE CONTRACTED WITH, WHICH IS KITCHEL, TO OVERSEE THAT AS WELL AS FOR ANY RELATED WORK AS FAR AS DEVELOPMENT OF SITE, PROJECT, ET-CETERA. 
          IT'S ALL LISTED WITH A BACKGROUND ATTACHED TO THE 
          AGENDA. >> I'LL MOVE TO APPROVE. 
          >> SECOND. >> WE HAVE A MOTION BY COMMISSIONER COVEY, SECOND BY COMMISSIONER LONG. 
          ANY DISCUSSION? >> JUDGE, I'M GOING TO VOTE AGAINST THIS. REBECCA, TELL ME WHY THIS IS YOUR RECOMMENDATION. WHEN WE HAD THE CONVERSATION TWO WEEKS AGO, WE -- THE CONVERSATION I HEARD FROM THE COURT WAS SPECIFIC THAT WE WANTED TO MAKE SURE THAT WE ENGAGED THE PUBLIC, BUT THAT'S WHERE WE WANTED TO STOP. 
          THAT'S NOT WHAT THIS AMENDMENT DOES. 
          >> MY UNDERSTANDING FROM THAT DISCUSSION WHATEVER WE MENTIONED HAVING THE PUBLIC ENGAGEMENT, I HAD BROUGHT UP TO THE COURT THAT THERE IS GOING TO BE A LOT OF QUESTIONS ASKED AND WE NEEDED TO GATHER INFORMATION TO BE ABLE TO ANSWER THOSE QUESTIONS. 
          NOT JUST LISTEN BUT LET THEM HEAR SOMETHING BACK FROM US. 
          BY ADDING IN THE ABILITY TO FOLLOW UP AND HOC TO ANSWER QUESTIONS, THAT WAS THE CONCEPT THAT WAS PRESENTED TO THE COURT AT THE TIME. MY UNDERSTANDING WAS THAT THE CONSENSUS FROM THE COURT FROM THAT DAY WAS THAT THAT MADE SENSE AND TO BRING THAT FORWARD TO THE COURT. 
          >> AND NOT DO MORE THAN THAT. >> CORRECT. 
          >> WE TALKED ABOUT MOVING THE MONEY FROM THREE WITH THAT SCOPE 
          TO TWO. >> IT WOULD ONLY BE ANYTHING RELATED TO THIS COMMUNITY ENGAGEMENT. 
          >> SO THAT'S $420,000 IF SOMEONE HAS A QUESTION. 
          I KNOW I SPOKE TO THE PUBLIC INVOLVEMENT FIRM. 
          THIS ISN'T SOMETHING THEY ASKED FOR. 
          SO I GUESS THIS IS SOMETHING THE CONSULTANTS CAME UP WITH? 
          >> IT WAS A PARTNERSHIP WITH MYSELF AND KITCHEL THAT CAME UP 
          WITH THIS AMENDED SCOPE. >> WHEN I SPOKE DURING THE PUBLIC ENGAGEMENT, ONE OF THE QUESTIONS THEY HAD THAT I THINK WE'VE HEARD FROM THE PUBLIC IS, IF IT'S GOING TO GO THERE WHAT WOULD IT LOOK LIKE, AND ABOUT HAVING THE ABILITY TO ENGAGE AND GENERALLY ANSWER THAT QUESTION. HOW COULD IT FIT. 
          I THINK THAT'S THE PIECE THAT IT IS. 
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          >> NOT FOR 300,000. >> BUT THAT IS NOT -- 
          >> WE CAN'T HAVE ONE WAY CONVERSATION. 
          WE CAN'T JUST HAVE ENGAGEMENT FIRMS GO OUT AND ASK QUESTIONS AND NOT HAVE ENOUGH FUNDING IN THE CONSULTANTS LINE ITEM. 
          >> SO THEN, I WANT TO UNDERSTAND WHAT THEY'RE GOING TO DRAW. 
          WE HAVEN'T APPROVED ANYTHING. AND I WANT THE CONSULTANTS TO HEAR THIS. THE COURT HAS APPOINTED YOU, THE JUSTICE CENTER GROUP JUST TO GIVE RECOMMENDATIONS. 
          THE DIRECTION IS TO COME FROM THE COURT. 
          I DON'T THINK WE CAN DELEGATE THAT RESPONSIBILITY. 
          THE DIRECTION IS TO COME FROM THE COURT. 
          WE HAVEN'T GONE THROUGH THE NEEDS ASSESSMENT TO DECIDE WHAT WE NEED, SO I DON'T KNOW WHAT THEY'RE GOING TO DRAW. 
          THIS IS TERRIBLY FRUSTRATING TO ME. 
          WHAT I WOULD LIKE FOR THE PUBLIC INVOLVEMENT FIRM TO DO IS TO POINT THAT OUT. WE ARE A GROWING COUNTY AND WE MIGHT NEED THESE THINGS IN THE FUTURE AND IT MIGHT BE ON THIS LOCATION. BUT WE HAVEN'T DISCUSSED WHEN OR HOW, I DON'T SEE THAT WE NEEDED A LOT OF STUFF NOW. 
          SO I DON'T KNOW WHAT THEY'RE GOING TO DRAW. 
          I'M CONCERNED ABOUT OPENING THAT PART OF THE CONTRACT UP TO A CONSULTANT, BECAUSE I'M CONCERNED ABOUT PHASE TWO WHERE THEY DO PROGRAMING. WE HAVEN'T DECIDED WHAT WE ARE GOING TO DO. HOW CAN THEY SPEND MONEY ON PROGRAMING? THIS SAYS THEY'RE GOING TO SPEND MONEY ON A SITE PLAN. WE HAVE NOT DECIDED WE'RE GOING TO DO ANYTHING ON THAT SITE. I DON'T UNDERSTAND HOW THEY CAN DO A SITE PLAN OR A LAND PLAN USE. 
          THE COURT HAS NOT SPOKEN TO THIS AT ALL. 
          I'M DEEPLY CONCERNED ABOUT THEM TRYING TO PUT IN ANOTHER $420,000 ON SOMETHING THE COURT HASN'T DECIDED ON. 
          >> GOOD POINTS, COMMISSIONER BOLES. 
          WHAT I WOULD SAY IS, THE PROGRAMING HAS TAKEN PLACE IN TERMS OF WE UNDERSTAND WHAT THE NEEDS ARE GOING TO BE IN THE FUTURE AS FAR AS POPULATION AND THE ANALYTICS OF IT. 
          BUT I DO AGREE WITH YOU ON, TO ENGAGE WITH THE COMMUNITIES THROUGH LIFELINE, WE NEED TO HAVE THAT CONVERSATION AND WE NEED TO HAVE THEIR QUESTIONS AND THEN IT CAN BE BROUGHT BACK TO US TO TALK THROUGH THAT AND GET ANSWERS AND FROM THERE GO ON TO THE DESIGN OR THE SCHEMATIC PHASE OR WHATEVER. 
          TO YOUR POINT, ONCE THAT PUBLIC ENGAGEMENT PHASE IS OVER, WE CAN DECIDE BASED ON THAT AND WHAT WE KNOW. 
          BUT I THINK WE NEED TO HAVE THE PUBLIC ENGAGEMENT FIRST BEFORE WE MOVE ON. I TOTALLY UNDERSTAND, WE NEED SOME KIND OF SCHEMATIC DESIGN TO LET PEOPLE UNDERSTAND WHAT WE ARE BUILDING. BUT LET'S HEAR FROM THEM FIRST 
          BEFORE WE DESIGN. >> THERE ARE THOSE THAT DON'T WANT TO DO IT. AND THIS CONVERSATION IS ABOUT WHAT IT COULD BE IF IT GOES THERE. 
          BUT THE BONDHOLDERS THAT BOUGHT OUR DEBT FOR THAT LAND, IT STATES ON THERE THAT IT'S FOR JUSTICE COMPLEX. 
          WE HAVE VOTED ON THAT. AND I WOULD ARGUE NOW -- 
          >> ABSOLUTELY. BUT IN MY OPINION, WE ARE MAKING A HUNDRED YEAR DECISION. WHAT IS THE RASH? WHY DO WE HAVE TO RUSH THROUGH THIS TODAY. 
          I'VE HEARD INFLATION AND COSTS, BUT IT'S MORE IMPORTANT TO ME THAT WE GET IT RIGHT. AND WE GET WHAT'S GOING WHERE ON THE PROPERTY, ALL THAT STUFF THAT WE GET RIGHT. 
          >> SO WE NEED TO HEAR FROM THE COMMUNITY. 
          >> I'M BEFUDDLED BY THE PROCESS. I AM BEFUDDLED HOW KITCHELL HAS ANY INTERACTION WHATSOEVER. I KNOW WE BOUGHT A SITE AND AT SOME POINT IN THE FUTURE IT CAN BE THERE FOR A JUSTICE CENTER. 
          BUT WHEN I LOOK AT THE PROGRAMING THAT YOU SPOKE TO, WE JUST REMODELED THE JUSTICE CENTER WITH ROOM FOR ANOTHER COURTROOM IN THERE. THERE'S LOTS OF OPTIONS TO HOW THAT PROGRAMING CAN LOOK. AND I DON'T THINK EVERYTHING NEEDS TO START OFF WITH BUILDING A NEW BUILDING. 
          THAT'S MY CONCERN. WHEN I READ THROUGH THE NEEDS 
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ASSESSMENT, THEY LAY OUT CERTAIN THINGS AND THEN THEY COME TO A CONCLUSION ON THEIR OWN. THAT THE BEST CHOICE, THE MOST COST EFFECTIVE CHOICE IS TO START BUILDING NEW. 
          AND I'M LIKE, BUILDING NEW ON WHAT? WE HAVEN'T DECIDED. INSIDE THE NEEDS ASSESSMENT IT REFERS TO DECISIONS MADE IN PHASE ONE AS WE MOVE FORWARD. 
          AND WE DIDN'T MAKE ANY DECISIONS IN PHASE ONE. 
          AS FAR AS NEEDS. I DO NOT UNDERSTAND THE NEEDS ASSESSMENT, AND I DON'T UNDERSTAND THIS REQUEST. 
          WHAT I DO KNOW, WHAT I DO WANT IS TO GET OUR PUBLIC INVOLVEMENT TEAM OUT THERE TALKING TO THE COMMUNITY AND TO THE CITY AND THE SCHOOL DISTRICT. I THINK THERE'S A LOT OF MISINFORMATION. AND I HEARD MISINFORMATION UP HERE TODAY. WE HAVE NOT DECIDED ON ANYTHING THAT WE ARE GOING TO DO ON THAT SITE AS LEAST AS FAR AS I'M CONCERNED. IN THE FUTURE WE MIGHT. 
          IN THE FUTURE COULD BE NEXT YEAR FOR A SHERIFF STATION, THE FUTURE COULD BE FIVE YEARS FOR COURTS. 
          I'M NOT SURE WHEN WE MOVE THE JAIL IF WE DO THAT. 
          WHEN I LOOK AT THE NEEDS ASSESSMENT FOR THE JAIL, I DON'T THINK WE NEED A NEW JAIL. I THINK THESE ARE CONVERSATIONS WE NEED TO HAVE BECAUSE I'VE HEARD A LOT OF THINGS UP HERE TODAY THAT CONTRADICT, ONCE WE GOT REAL INFORMATION INSIDE OUR NEEDS ASSESSMENT. WHAT I HEAR IS WE'RE GOING TO GO BUILD SOMETHING NEW TOMORROW AND THAT'S WHAT OUR CONSULTANTS ARE PUSHING FOR. THE COURT HASN'T MADE THAT 
          DECISION AT ALL. >> I'M CONCERNED ABOUT BRINGING IN KITCHEL AND HOK IN PHASE TWO, BECAUSE IN RESPONDING TO A QUESTION IT CAN SOUND LIKE A PROMISE. 
          THEY CAN'T MAKE PROMISES. ANYTHING THEY SAY CANNOT BE 
          TAKEN AS A PROMISE. >> I DON'T THINK THEY'VE EVER 
          DONE THAT. >> I'M NOT SAYING THEY HAVE. 
          BUT YOU'RE GOING TO HAVE A LOT OF EARS NOW HEARING WHATEVER THEY HEAR AND CAN TAKE WHAT'S BEING SAID AS A PROMISE. 
          AND I'M NERVOUS ABOUT THAT IF WE BACK OUT AND LET RIEFLIN DO 
          THEIR JOB. >> THAT'S ALL WE ARE TRYING TO 
          DO HERE. >> MAKE YOUR COMMENTS, WHICH WERE EXCELLENT AND THEN WE WILL MOVE ON. 
          ARE YOU GOOD, COMMISSIONER? THANK YOU SO MUCH. 
          COMMISSIONER COVEY. >> IT IS FRUSTRATING TO HEAR SOME OF THE COMMENTS TODAY. FOR THE LAST FOUR YEARS, WE'VE BEEN LOOKING AT THIS ISSUE AND TRYING TO FIGURE OUT WHAT WE ARE GOING TO DO SINCE WE TOOK ON THE PROJECT WITH OUR STRATEGIC PLAN. 
          WE LOOKED INTERNALLY. WE USED OUR INTERNAL RESOURCES TO LOOK AT THE SITUATION TO SEE IF WE HAD A PROBLEM AND WHAT WE COULD MOVE FORWARD WITH. COMMISSIONER BOLES, YOU WERE ONE THAT WANTED TO HIRE KITCHELL AND WANTED TO HIRE A TEAM TO HAVE IT PROFESSIONALLY DONE. BUT THAT WAS SOMETHING THAT WAS IMPORTANT TO YOU. WE TOOK THE CONTRACT THAT KITCHELL WAS GOING TO DO, OUR COMMITTEE, OUR SMALL GROUP THAT INTERVIEWED, AND WE TRIED TO BACK OUT SOME OF THE ITEMS THAT WE'D ALREADY DONE. BUT AGAIN, YOU AND ANOTHER MEMBER OF THE COURT THAT'S NOT HERE ANY MORE WANTED ALL OF IT PUT BACK IN. AND THAT'S GREAT, IT'S ALL IN THERE NOW FOR THEM TO DO THEIR JOB. 
          AND WE'VE APPROVED PHASES IN THIS PROJECT TO MOVE FORWARD. 
          I UNDERSTAND THAT PEOPLE IN YOUR PRECINCT ARE UPSET ABOUT IT. 
          PEOPLE IN MY PRECINCT ARE UPSET ABOUT IT. 
          WE HAD ANOTHER OPTION THAT GOT TORPEDOED ON THIS COURT. 
          ANOTHER OPTION THAT WOULD NOT HAVE HAD AS MANY PEOPLE UPSET ABOUT IT OR CLOSE TO SCHOOLS. AND BECAUSE LAW ENFORCEMENT DIDN'T WANT IT, AND I'M BEING VERY FRANK TODAY BECAUSE WE NEED TO BE FRANK. LAW ENFORCEMENT DIDN'T WANT IT AS FAR OUT AS IT WAS AND IT GOT KILLED, AND OUR OPPORTUNITIES FOR OTHER LOCATIONS ARE VERY SLIM TO NONE. 
          AND WE'VE LOOKED AT ALL THAT. THAT'S WHY WE BOUGHT THE LAND THAT WE BOUGHT. SO IT IS DISINGENUOUS TO SAY OTHERWISE. WHAT IT LOOKS LIKE AND WHERE IT GOES ON THE PROPERTY HAS NOT BEEN DECIDED, OF COURSE WE HAVEN'T. AND WE ARE LISTENING TO PEOPLE BECAUSE THEIR CONCERNS ARE VALID. 
          RELEASING PRISONERS AND WHAT IT DOES TO THE SCHOOL. 
          YOU'RE LOOKING AT ALL THOSE THINGS. 
          THE SHERIFF IS VERY AWARE OF IT. OUR JAIL IS NOT UNSAFE NOW. 
          WE WOULD NOT WANT TO PUT IT ANYWHERE THAT'S NOT SAFE AND 
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ADDRESSING THESE ISSUES. IT'S A FOUR-STORY BUILDING RIGHT BEHIND THE MONUMENT AND RIGHT DOWNTOWN. 
          YOU CAN HARDLY FIND A PARKING SPACE DOWN THERE. 
          BECAUSE ALL THE RESTAURANTS AND BARS ARE DOING GREAT BUSINESS. 
          IT'S NOT AN UNSAFE PLACE AND IT'S NOT GOING TO BE AN UNSAFE PLACE, NO MATTER WHERE IT GOES. WE ARE NOT GOING TO ALLOW THAT AND THE SHERIFF ISN'T GOING TO ALLOW IT AND IT'S GOING TO BE FINE. JUST LIKE IT'S FINE NOW. 
          THE PALACE THEATER PUT THEIR YOUTH BUILDING RIGHT THERE BESIDE THE JAIL. SO WE WANT TO LISTEN TO FOLKS, BUT WE HAVE MADE A GINORMOUS FINANCIAL DECISION TO BUY OVER $75 MILLION WORTH OF LAND, WHICH IS HIGH BECAUSE IT'S 255 ACRES. 
          NOW WE CAN VOTE AGAINST THIS ITEM AND STOP IT UNTIL SOME FUTURE DAY. OUR ISSUES HAVE NOT GONE AWAY. 
          THE REASON WE DECIDED TO DO THIS ORIGINALLY IS STILL THERE. 
          WE CAN PIGEONHOLE PEOPLE, BUT THE SHERIFF NEEDS TO COME UP HERE AND STAND UP FOR WHAT HE WANTS. 
          HIS JAIL IS NOT EFFICIENT. WE HAVE PEOPLE IN PLACES ABOVE OUR GUYS AND IT'S NOT WORKING WELL. 
          IF HE WANTS TO COME UP HERE, BECAUSE I WOULD LIKE FOR YOU TO COME UP AND STATE WHY WE NEED THIS. 
          AS WELL, AND JUDGES HERE TOO. IT'S THE PEOPLE IN THESE TWO BUILDINGS THAT NEED TO FUNCTION WELL. 
          AS WELL, KEEPING THESE FUNCTIONS TOGETHER. 
          I'VE HEARD THAT SAID TO. WHILE WE ARE HASHING IT ALL OUT TODAY, EVEN THE PEOPLE THAT DO THESE JOBS, NOT ME, THE PEOPLE THAT DO THESE JOBS HAVE SAID WE NEED TO KEEP THE COURTS BUILDING AND THE JAIL TOGETHER. PLEASE COMMENT ON THESE THINGS IF THAT'S IMPORTANT TO YOU. IF IT'S NOT FINE, I'LL BE QUIET ABOUT IT AND WE'LL JUST LET IT RIDE. 
          >> THANK YOU. WILLIAMSON COUNTY SHERIFF, GEORGETOWN. CONCERNING THE PROPERTY 17 MILES NORTH OF TOWN, IT WAS NOT CONVENIENT FOR LAW ENFORCEMENT, ESPECIALLY FROM THE SOUTH PART OF THE COUNTY TO TAKE PRISONERS THERE. SOMETIMES PRISONERS ARE REJECTED AND HAVE TO BE BROUGHT BACK TO THE HOSPITAL, WHICH MEANS THEY WOULD COME BACK TO GEORGETOWN AND GO BACK TO THE JAIL. 
          WE HAVE WAIT TIMES SOMETIMES 2-3 HOURS BECAUSE THE RECEIVING AREA WHEN THAT ADDITION WAS BUILT IN 2003 WAS MUCH SMALLER THAN THE RECEIVING AREA. THE INFIRMARY RIGHT NOW IS TOO SMALL. WE WERE OKAY ON CELLS. 
          OUT OF 680 PEOPLE IN JAIL TODAY, NEARLY 600 OF THOSE ARE CHARGED WITH FELONY OFFENSES. BY CLASSIFICATION, THE COMMISSION ON JAIL STANDARDS CLASSIFICATION, THOSE PRISONERS NEED TO BE IN SINGLE CELLS, NOT IN PODS AND WE HAVE FAR MORE PODS THAN WE HAVE LINEAR CELLS. THOSE WERE BUILT BACK IN 89. 
          WHEN THERE'S AN EVENT DOWNTOWN GEORGETOWN, WE CAN'T FIND A PARKING PLACE AROUND OUR BUILDING BECAUSE ALL THE CITIZENS ARE PARKING IN FRONT OF THE SHERIFF'S OFFICE, IN FRONT OF THE JAIL, THE PARKING GARAGE. THAT'S A VERY VALID POINT. 
          WHEN I COME AND GO FROM THE SHERIFF'S OFFICE EVERY DAY AROUND SECOND STREET AND ROCK STREET, THERE'S PEOPLE WITH KIDS COMING AND GOING FROM THE PALLISER BUILDING, COMING AND GOING. IT'S FULL OF PEOPLE. 
          IDEALLY WE WOULD LIKE TO HAVE A SHERIFF'S OFFICE BIG ENOUGH TO HAVE ALL OUR PERSONNEL UNDER ONE ROOF. 
          WHEN THAT BUILDING WAS BUILT IN 1988 AND MOVED TO IN 90, THERE WERE ABOUT 85 EMPLOYEES AT THE SHERIFF S OFFICE. 
          THANKFULLY, YOU HAVE ALL SUPPORTED THE GROWTH OF THE SHERIFF'S OFFICE AND NOW WE ARE UP TO 570 SOME ODD FULL TIME EMPLOYEE POSITIONS. I WISH I HAD THEM ALL FILLED, BUT I DON'T QUITE DO THAT AT THIS POINT NOT BECAUSE WE DON'T WANT TO, BUT OUR TRAFFIC DIVISION, OUR PATROL DIVISION ARE IN THE BUILDING IN ROUND ROCK. 
          TALKING ABOUT THE LAKE CREEK BUILDING. 
          WE'LL BE MOVING OUR CRIMINAL INVESTIGATIVE DIVISION AND STORAGE OVER TO THAT FACILITY ONCE THE PROJECT IS COMPLETED. 
          HOPEFULLY THAT WILL ALL COME BACK TOGETHER IN THE FUTURE WHEN WE GET A LARGE ENOUGH BUILDING. WHEN THEY ADDED ON IN 2003, THEY MOVED THE JAIL KITCHEN, LAUNDRY, AND BOOKING AREA INTO THE NEW 
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EXTENSION. AND I THOUGHT IT WOULD BE A GOOD IDEA BACK THEN. MOVING THAT INTO THAT VACATED SPACE. THAT WORKS WELL UNTIL THE PRISONERS ABOVE FLOOD THEIR CELLS AND SEWAGE AND OTHER TYPES OF LIQUIDS RUN DOWN INTO THE OFFICES BELOW THAT ARE OCCUPIED BY EMPLOYEES. THOSE ARE SOME OF THE THINGS THAT COME TO MIND. THERE'S A LOT MORE. 
          WE SPENT PROBABLY 200 MAN HOURS MEETING WITH THIS FIRM TO PROGRAM AND TO DECIDE WHAT WE WOULD NEED, JUST TO BE CAUGHT UP WITH PRESENT DAY FACILITIES. AND TO YOUR POINT, COMMISSIONER, I BELIEVE IT WAS THE PROJECT MANAGEMENT FIRM. 
          UNFORTUNATELY I DON'T GET A VOTE IN THAT. 
          THE VOTE COMES FROM YOU ALL. I APPRECIATE THE SUPPORT, THE COUNTY IS GROWING. AND THE BAD PEOPLE COMING ALONG WITH THE GOOD. WE'RE GOING TO NEED A PLACE TO HOUSE THEM. IT'S MUCH MORE EFFICIENT IF YOU HAVE YOUR COURTHOUSE CONNECTED TO THE JAIL AND MOVING THOSE PRISONERS. MOVING SOMEWHERE FROM 50-75 PRISONERS BACK AND FORTH TO THE COURTHOUSE EVERY DAY. 
          THAT REDUCES THE CHANCE OF SOMEONE CAUSING HARM TO THEM, AND THE HOPE THAT OUR NEW BUILDING WOULD BE CONFIGURED THE 
          SAME WAY. >> CAN YOU SPEAK TO THE FOLKS THAT ARE GETTING OUT OF JAIL AND WHAT TIME PERIOD THAT HAPPENS 
          AND HOW THAT WORKS, PLEASE? >> WE DO OUR BEST TO RELEASE EVERYBODY BY 6:00 P.M. BUT IF THEY'RE AT THE COURTHOUSE UNTIL 5:00 OR 5:30, THAT DOES NOT ALWAYS HAPPEN. 
          SOMEONE MAY HAVE A DISABILITY, WE ARE NOT GOING TO KICK THOSE PEOPLE OUT ON THE STREET. I'VE BEEN TOLD BY MY STAFF THAT OVER 90% OF THE PEOPLE HAVE RIDES. 
          SINCE I'VE BEEN IN OFFICE I'VE BEEN WORKING WITH NAVIGATIONAL SERVICES. THEY PROVIDED A NUMBER OF RIDES TO PEOPLE THAT DID NOT HAVE TRANSPORTATION. 
          >> THAT'S AN AREA WHERE WE CAN CONTINUE TO WORK ON. 
          HOW WE CAN DO EVEN BETTER TO THE -- WHERE THERE'S NOT ANYONE WANDERING AROUND. HAS ANYONE ESCAPED FROM THE JAIL THAT YOU'RE AWARE OF? IN YOUR 10-YEAR, EVEN BEFORE 
          THAT? >> CORRECT. 
          THERE MAY HAVE BEEN SOME ERRONEOUS RELEASES WHERE PAPERWORK GETS CONFUSED AND SOMEONE'S RELEASED BY MISTAKE, BUT AS FAR AS BOLTING OUT OF THE JAIL OR TAKING SOMEONE HOSTAGE TO GET OUT, I'M NOT AWARE OF THAT. 
          >> THANK YOU. ANYTHING ELSE YOU WANT TO ADD? 
          >> I'D BE HAPPY TO TAKE ANY QUESTIONS. 
          >> DOES ANYONE HAVE ANY MORE QUESTIONS FOR SHERIFF LINDAMAN? 
          HEARING NONE, THANK YOU. >> THANK YOU FOR THE OPPOR 
          OPPORTUNITY. >> THANK YOU. 
          >> GOOD MORNING. DONNA KING, JUDGE OF THE 26TH DISTRICT COURT. I HAVE RECENTLY TAKEN OVER THE POSITION OF LOCAL ADMINISTRATIVE JUDGE. 
          >> CONGRATULATIONS. CONDOLENCES. 
          >> THANK YOU. SADLY RETIRING, BUT WE ARE VERY HAPPY FOR HER. WE ARE GOING THROUGH A LOT OF CHANGES AND GROWTH. FIRST I WANT TO RECOGNIZE THIS COURT AND THE PREVIOUS COURT WHO ABOUT FIVE YEARS AGO HAD THE FORESIGHT, AND I THINK IT'S WHEN WE DID OUR OWN STRATEGIC PLAN FOR THE COUNTY, AND HAD THE FORESIGHT TO SAY WE NEED TO FOCUS ON ALL THINGS JUSTICE RELATED. 
          AS A LAWYER WHO STARTED HERE IN 1995, THE COUNTY ATTORNEY'S OFFICE AND WAS IN PRIVATE PRACTICE FOR A NUMBER OF YEARS BEFORE TAKING THE BENCH IN 2014, THIS IS THE COURTHOUSE THAT ALL OF US AS MAYBE LAWYERS WHO CUT OUR TEETH IN THESE COURTROOMS, WE'VE SEEN IT BE STRETCHED TO ITS LIMITS. 
          WHILE I APPRECIATE THAT THIS IS A VERY DIFFICULT AND COMPLEX DECISION TO MAKE, AND I CERTAINLY WOULDN'T WANT TO BE IN YOUR SHOES, I APPRECIATE THE FACT THAT WE ARE HAVING THIS DISCUSSION, ASKING THESE TOUGH QUESTIONS. 
          WE WERE ASKING YOU ALL TO PUT YOURSELVES IN OUR WORKING ENVIRONMENT, WHICH IS PROBABLY VERY DIFFERENT FROM WHAT YOU ALL DO EVERY DAY, AND UNDERSTAND THE NEEDS AND THE COMPLEXITY OF THE SITUATION THAT WE HAVE BEEN DEALING WITH AND WILL CONTINUE TO DEAL WITH OVER THE NEXT 5-10 YEARS AND THEREAFTER IF WE DON'T 
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START MAKING A DECISION OR AT LEAST MAKING A PLAN OF WHAT WE WANT THIS TO LOOK LIKE AS THE COUNTY CONTINUES TO GROW. 
          OVER THREE YEARS AGO, I THINK IT WAS 2022, WE'RE AFTER THE LONG TERM STRATEGIC PLAN BROKE INTO COMMITTEES THE JUSTICE WORKING GROUP, WHICH CONSISTS OF EACH ELECTED OFFICIAL OR DEPARTMENT HEAD HOUSED IN THE JUSTICE COMPLEX. 
          NOW I BELIEVE THAT TOTALS 16 PEOPLE ALONG WITH THEIR CHIEF DEPUTIES OR OTHER INTEGRAL COMPONENTS OF THEIR DEPARTMENTS THAT HAVE BEEN WORKING TIRELESSLY TO TROUBLESHOOT THESE IDEAS. WE'VE HAD SOME VERY DIFFICULT DECISIONS AND HAD TO BE VERY FRANK WITH ONE ANOTHER ABOUT WHAT WE NEED. I KNOW THAT WE ARE BRINGING INFORMATION TO YOU ALL AND ASKING YOU TO ACT UPON IT, AND YOU WEREN'T THERE FOR A LOT OF THESE DECISIONS. 
          HOW COULD YOU BE, YOU DURING OTHER THINGS. 
          BUT I JUST WANT THE COURT TO KNOW THAT HAVING PARTICIPATED IN THOSE MEETINGS FROM THE BEGINNING, NOT EVERY SINGLE ONE BUT FOR THE MAJORITY OF THEM, THE GROUP HAS WORKED VERY HARD TO ASK THESE HARD QUESTIONS AND ADDRESS THESE THINGS TO BE ABLE TO GIVE YOU RECOMMENDATIONS THAT ARE MEANINGFUL. 
          I APPRECIATE THE FACT THAT WE ARE HAVING THESE DISCUSSIONS AND ASKING THE QUESTIONS. AS FAR AS THE COURTHOUSE BUILD GOES, CONTEMPLATING A NEW COURTHOUSE AND A NEW JAIL, I BELIEVE AND THE JUDGES STAND UNITED WITH THE PROSECUTORS, AND I BELIEVE THE CLERK'S, THAT WE DO NEED TO ADDRESS THIS. 
          THE QUESTION OF WHETHER WE STAY HERE AND MODIFY THIS CURRENT SETUP OR BUILD SOMETHING NEW HAS BEEN LOOKED AT FROM EVERY ANGLE AS FAR AS WE CAN TELL. WE GIVE THAT DECISION TO YOU ALL. I WAS OF THE UNDERSTANDING THAT A DECISION WAS MADE TO BUILD SOMETHING NEW. 
          THE TIMELINE OF THAT IS IN YOUR HANDS. 
          WE ARE GROWING COUNTY, AS YOU KNOW. 
          THE DECISIONS WE MAKE EVERY DAY ARE FACED WITH THE CONFRONTING FACT THAT WE ARE GROWING AND WITH THAT GROWTH COMES INCREASE IN CRIME, PEOPLE, THE COMPLEXITY OF THE CASES. 
          SO IT'S NO LONGER CONTRACT DISPUTES BETWEEN SMALL BUSINESSES. THESE ARE MULTIMILLION DOLLAR LITIGATION IN OUR COURTS, PARTICULARLY IN DISTRICT COURTS. 
          THERE ARE FIVE OF US THAT DO CIVIL LITIGATION. 
          THESE CASES TAKE TIME, COURT SPACE. 
          IN ADDITION TO THE BALANCING THE NEEDS WE HAVE TO HANDLE THE COMPLEXITY OF THE CRIMINAL CASES WE ARE SEEING, WHICH ARE ON A MUCH HIGHER LEVEL THAN EVER BEFORE. 
          SO WE NEED SOME TYPE OF SOLUTION. 
          WHAT THAT SOLUTION WILL BE IS IN YOUR HANDS TO DECIDE. 
          WE WOULD APPRECIATE THE THOROUGH CONSIDERATION, AND DO APPRECIATE IT, OF BUILDING A NEW JUSTICE COMPLEX THAT CANNOT ONLY MEET THE NEEDS THAT WE CURRENTLY HAVE, BUT AS WE CONTINUE TO GROW OVER THE NEXT HUNDRED YEARS, I THINK WE ALL KNOW THAT THAT'S COMING. I'M HAPPY TO ANSWER ANY 
          QUESTIONS. >> ANY QUESTIONS FOR THE JUDGE? 
          >> WE'VE HEARD FROM THE SHERIFF ABOUT KEEPING THESE FUNCTIONS TOGETHER. COULD YOU SPEAK TO THAT AS SOMEONE WHO -- AS A CRIMINAL JUDGE? 
          >> CERTAINLY. THE INMATES, AND I THINK THE SHERIFF MENTIONED THE INCREASING NUMBER OF FELONY CASES AND MOST OF THEIR INMATES THAT ARE HELD LONGER ARE THE INDIVIDUALS CHARGED WITH FELONY CRIMES. WE HAVE COURT EVERY WEEK IN OUR COURTHOUSE. THOSE INMATES MUST BE TRANSPORTED BACK AND FORTH. COMMISSIONER, WE WENT ON SOME FIELD TRIPS. WE SAW SOME OTHER COUNTIES THAT DO IT DIFFERENTLY. THEY HAVE THEIR JAIL NOT PROXIMATE TO THEIR JUSTICE CENTER. 
          THEY INCUR COST IN TRANSPORTING THOSE INMATES, THEY INCUR ADDITIONAL SAFETY CONCERNS, LIABILITY, MANPOWER. 
          ALL THE THINGS THAT GO INTO THAT AS YOU CAN IMAGINE. 
          SO HAVING FOLKS PROXIMATE IS MORE EFFICIENT. 
          NUMBER 2, FOR MANY REASONS, FOR THE SHERIFF'S OFFICE AND THE ADMINISTRATION OF JUSTICE, IT'S ALSO A BETTER FUNCTION FOR THE ATTORNEYS AND FOR THE COURTS TO ACCESS THOSE INMATES TO GET HEARINGS SET MORE PROMPTLY AND GET EVERYONE MOVING IN THE RIGHT 
          DIRECTION. >> ANY MORE QUESTIONS FOR JUDGE KING? THANK YOU VERY MUCH AS ALWAYS, VERY ELOQUENT. I APPRECIATE IT. 
          I KNOW YOU AND YOUR TEAM HAVE DONE A LOT OF WORK ON IT. 
          >> MAY I ALSO ADD, REBECCA CAME ON -- 
          >> SPEAK INTO THE MICROPHONE A LITTLE MORE. 
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          >> INTO THE PROJECT, AND WE WERE DOING OKAY. 
          I THINK WE WERE DOING REALLY WELL. 
          WE HAD A LOT OF PEOPLE WEARING MULTIPLE HATS. 
          BUT SINCE REBECCA HAS BEEN A PART OF THE STEERING OF THE COMMITTEE, BEING ABLE TO BE LIAISON BETWEEN THE COURT AND THE COMMITTEE WILL BE ABLE TO GIVE US THE FOCUS WE NEED. 
          I JUST WANT TO PUBLICLY RECOGNIZE REBECCA FOR HER 
          CONTRIBUTIONS. >> THANK YOU. 
          >> THANK YOU. >> MAY I BE EXCUSED? 
          >> YES, MA'AM. NOW ONE THING THAT'S EVIDENT TO ME, THERE HAS BEEN AN AWFUL LOT OF WORK ON THIS AND A LOT OF COMMUNICATION ON THIS AS WELL. BUT ONE THING THAT'S INCREDIBLY EVIDENT OVER THE LAST FEW WEEKS, THE FIVE OF US ON THE COURT ARE NOT ALL ON THE SAME PAGE AND NOT ALL BROUGHT UP TO SPEED. 
          I KNOW WE HAVE A MOTION AND A SECOND. 
          WE WILL SEE WHERE THAT GOES. BUT IN THE EVENT THAT IT'S NOT SUCCESSFUL, OR IS SUCCESSFUL, EITHER ONE. 
          I THINK WE NEED TO HAVE A WORKSHOP AND GET EVERYTHING OUT ON THE TABLE FOR THIS COURT AND EVERYBODY GET ON THE SAME PAGE WITH WHAT'S BEEN TALKED ABOUT, WHAT'S BEEN DISCUSSED, WHAT WE ARE THINKING IN TERMS OF COURTROOMS, JAIL BEDS AS NEEDED WITH THE POPULATION GROWTH. I ALSO WANT TO THANK THE SHERIFF AND RANDY AND THE CHIEF, YOU'VE ALL BEEN A BIG PART OF IT AS WELL. THE PEOPLE WHO NEED THAT. 
          I DON'T THINK ANYONE DOUBTS WE NEED MORE SPACE, MORE FACI FACILITIES, UPGRADE TO SOME OF THESE FACILITIES, SAFETY CONCERNS AS WELL. I KNOW THE COMMUNITY WANTS TO KNOW THAT INFORMATION AS WELL. SO IF THERE'S NO MORE DISCUSSION, AND I SEE COMMISSIONER COVEY WANTING TO 
          SAY ONE MORE THING. >> ONLY TO YOUR POINT OF A WORKSHOP. WE'VE HAD SEVERAL, AND MAYBE REBECCA CAN REMIND US HOW MANY TIMES. 
          WE HAVE GONE THROUGH PHASE ONE, WE VOTED ON PHASE TWO BECAUSE THAT'S THE WAY WE SET IT UP HERE TO SAY OTHERWISE IS NOT RIGHT. 
          COULD YOU SPEAK TO -- THE OTHER THING WE TALKED ABOUT THE LAST TIME WAS THAT WE WERE GOING TO RELY ON REBECCA AND HER ROLE TO BRING IT BACK TO US AND USE HER RECOMMENDATIONS TO MOVE FORWARD. 
          EVEN MAKING SURE WE INCLUDED THE PART FOR THE WHOLE TEAM, THAT HE WAS CLEAR ON WHAT WE WERE GOING TO BRING BACK. 
          COULD YOU JUST SPEAK TO WHERE WE ARE WITH THAT? 
          >> SURE. THE LAST WORKSHOP WE HAD WHERE WE DID A PRESENTATION, THAT WAS LATE FALL. 
          LATE NOVEMBER EARLY DECEMBER. THAT WAS THE PRESENTATION OVER PHASE ONE AND THEN THE COURT MOVED INTO PHASE TWO. 
          PHASE TWO IS ABOUT WRAPPED UP. SO THIS WOULD BE ABOUT THE TIME WHERE WE WOULD BE COMING BACK AND DOING OTHER PRESENTATION. 
          WE PUT THAT ON PAUSE BECAUSE WE WANTED TO HAVE THIS DISCUSSION WITH THE COMMUNITY ENGAGEMENT AND WHERE THAT WAS GOING TO FIT IN. BUT WE ARE ABOUT WRAPPED UP WITH PHASE TWO AND READY TO PRESENT THAT. 
          IF THE COURT WOULD LIKE, I KNOW KITCHELL WOULD BE HAPPY TO PRESENT. PART OF THE FUNDING I PUT IN THERE FOR THEM, AND I NOTED THAT, WAS OF COURT MEMBERS WANTED INDIVIDUAL MEETINGS THEY'VE OFFERED TO COME AND DO INDIVIDUAL MEETINGS. WE CAN MEET AS A GROUP, WE CAN DO A WORK SESSION WHERE IT'S MORE BACK AND FORTH THAN A PRESENTATION STYLE. WE CAN DEFINE THE PROCESS TO LOOK HOWEVER WE WOULD LIKE FOR THE COMMUNICATION BACK AND 
          FORTH. >> EXACTLY. 
          >> I'M JUST AFRAID IF WE DON'T MOVE FORWARD ON TODAY, WE AREN'T GOING TO BE ABLE TO DO WHAT WE'VE ALL SAID WE WANT TO DO AND 
          THAT'S COMMUNICATE WELL. >> SO I THINK EVERYBODY'S IN AGREEMENT THAT WE WANT PUBLIC ENGAGEMENT, AND KITCHELL HAS SUBCONTRACTED. THEY ARE GOOD AT WHAT THEY DO. 
          THE OTHER PIECE OF IT IS WHAT SEEMS TO BE BOTHERING COMMISSIONER BOLES. I'M TRYING TO FIGURE OUT, OF THAT, BECAUSE I GET THAT WE CAN'T JUST HAVE THEM SHOW UP. 
          HOW MUCH OF THAT IS -- IS IT REALLY JUST BEING ABLE TO FIELD THE QUESTIONS, DESCRIBE THAT A LITTLE BIT MORE. 
          >> IT'S BOTH. FIELDING AND GATHERING -- 
          >> NOT NECESSARILY AT THAT MEETING. 
          BUT AFTER THE MEETING. THE MEETING IS A LISTENING 
          SESSION. >> THE MEETING IS A LISTENING SESSION. WE DID HAVE OUR FIRST SMALL MEETING, AND I KNOW THAT WAS REFERENCED EARLIER TODAY. 
          THE COMMENTS I HEARD AT THAT MEETING WAS YES, THEY WANTED TO LISTEN, BUT THEY WANT ENGAGEMENT AND BACK AND FORTH. 
          THEY DON'T WANT TO JUST HAVE THE COURT LISTEN. 
          SO THIS WOULD ALLOW US TO TAKE WHAT WE'VE LEARNED FROM THAT MEETING LAST FRIDAY, AND WHEN WE HAVE THE MEETINGS AT THE END OF 
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THE MONTH OF AUGUST, WE CAN PRESENT SOME MATERIALS WHETHER IT'S BOARDS, WHATEVER RIFLEMAN WOULD LIKE FOR US TO PRESENT. 
          THEN WHATEVER COMES OF THOSE MEETINGS IN AUGUST, TAKE INFORMATION, REVISIT EVERYTHING. IF THEY WANT TO LOOK AT DESIGN 
          STUFF -- >> WHEN YOU SAY THEY? 
          >> THE PUBLIC. I DID HEAR, IT'S KIND OF TWO COMPONENTS IS WHAT THEY HEARD FROM THE MEETING ON FRIDAY. 
          THEY DON'T WANT IT TO GO THERE AND THEY DON'T WANT TO TALK ABOUT DESIGN COMPONENTS UNTIL THEY KNOW FOR SURE IT'S GOING THERE. THEN WE START GETTING TO OTHER QUESTIONS THAT TALK ABOUT DESIGN IDEAS. 
          SO I THINK IT'S IMPORTANT TO BE VERY FRANK AND GIVE THE PUBLIC THE CLEAR MESSAGE. WHAT LINDA SHARED WAS OF COURSE THE PUBLIC VOTES AND THE PUBLIC COMMENTS THAT HAVE BEEN MADE. 
          THE LAND WAS PURCHASED FOR A JAIL AND JUSTICE CENTER AT A TIMELINE HAS NOT BEEN ESTABLISHED. 
          THAT'S KIND OF THE PREMISE WE WERE WORKING ON. 
          BUT I DO SEE A LOT OF WORK THAT NEEDS TO BE DONE BETWEEN NOW AND THOSE MEETINGS AT THE END OF AUGUST. 
          AND AFTER THOSE AUGUST MEETINGS. I'M ANTICIPATING ANOTHER ROUND OF MEETINGS LATE SEPTEMBER OR OCTOBER. 
          THAT'LL BE UP TO LINDA AND HER TEAM TO LET US KNOW. 
          BUT I DO HEAR THEY DEFINITELY WANT EVERYONE TO LISTEN TO THEIR CONCERNS. BUT THEY ALSO WANT ENGAGEMENT 
          AND ANSWERS. >> I DON'T THINK THERE'S ANSWERS TO THOSE QUESTIONS. AND I WANT Y'ALL TO HEAR THIS AS WELL. I WILL GO LOOK. 
          HOW ALL THE FUNDS FROM PHASE TWO HAVE BEEN BUILD, AT A POINT WHERE THEY'RE SAYING THERE'S NO MONEY FOR THEM TO BE PART OF THESE MEETINGS AND ANSWER SOME QUESTIONS. 
          I GUESS THAT'S WHERE WE ARE AT. I'D LIKE TO SEE WHERE WE BROKE DOWN HOW MUCH PUBLIC ENGAGEMENT WE'RE GOING TO HAVE IN PHASE TWO VERSUS PHASE THREE. ALL THE MONEY FROM PHASE TWO IS GONE. BUT WE DIDN'T HAVE ANY OF THESE CONVERSATIONS. I DON'T KNOW HOW THE PUBLIC ENGAGEMENT TEAM CAN TELL THEM, THESE THINGS ARE POSSIBLE TO TRY TO START ANSWERING SPECIFIC THINGS. 
          WE HAVEN'T HAD A DISCUSSION ON ANY OF THAT. 
          I THINK PART OF THE ISSUE IS, THERE'S BEEN REPRESENTATION THAT IT HAS BEEN. AND I'VE HEARD IT TO DAY, THAT THERE HAS BEEN THESE DECISIONS. BUYING THE PIECE OF PROPERTY DOESN'T MEAN WE'RE GOING TO BUILD ANYTHING. 
          IT MEANS WE ARE BUYING A PIECE OF PROPERTY SO THAT IN THE FUTURE THE PUBLIC CAN PLAN WHAT WE ARE GOING TO DO AT SOME POINT IN THE FUTURE. THERE'S A WHOLE OTHER PART THAT WE HAVEN'T EVEN TALKED ABOUT, THEN WE'VE GOT TO PAY FOR IT. 
          I APPRECIATE THE JUDGE'S WORDS AND THE SHERIFF'S CONCERN. 
          BUT WE ARE GOING TO HAVE TO PAY FOR IT. 
          WE HAVEN'T HAD THAT DISCUSSION. BECAUSE WE HAVEN'T HAD THE DISCUSSION ON WHAT WE ACTUALLY NEED. 
          TO TRY TO SAY, WE BOUGHT A PIECE OF PROPERTY WHICH MEANS WE'RE GOING TO BUILD ALL NEW. JUST IN CASE YOU'RE REVIEWING A NEEDS ASSESSMENT, IT LAYS OUT A GOOD ARGUMENT AND THEN JUST KIND OF COMES TO THE END AND SAYS, WE NEED TO BUILD NEW. 
          THERE'S NO INFORMATION IN THAT NEEDS ASSESSMENT THAT SUPPORTS THAT. I THINK WE LET THE PUBLIC INVOLVEMENT TEAM DO THEIR JOB. IF THEY COME BACK TO US WITH A BUNCH OF QUESTIONS, THE COURT CAN TAKE IT UP THEN. 
          >> REBECCA, WHAT'S THE TIMELINE? >> WE HAD OUR FIRST MEETING LAST FRIDAY. WE HAVE TWO MEETINGS TOWARD THE END OF AUGUST. THEY ARE WORKING TO GET EVERYTHING READY FOR THOSE MEETINGS, AND THEN WE WILL SEE WHAT IT LOOKS LIKE AFTER THAT. WE WON'T KNOW PAST AUGUST UNTIL 
          THEY HAVE THOSE AUGUST MEETINGS. >> SO ONCE WE GET THAT FEEDBACK, HAVING A WORKSHOP WHERE WE CAN ANSWER EVERY QUESTION AND PEOPLE CAN GET ON THE SAME PAGE, WE BOUGHT THE LAND WITH THE PURPOSE TO BUILD A SHERIFF'S OFFICE, JAIL, JUSTICE CENTER. 
          WHAT IT LOOKS LIKE, ALL THAT. THEY'VE TALKED ABOUT IT. 
          THE COURT HASN'T TALKED ABOUT IT NECESSARILY AS A GROUP. 
          ALTHOUGH THE INDIVIDUAL MEETINGS ARE APPRECIATED, I ENCOURAGE YOU TO DO IT. BUT THEN THEY HAVE INFORMATION THE REST OF THE COURT DOESN'T HAVE. 
          THAT'S WHY IN THE FUTURE I WILL CALL A WORKSHOP TO GET IT ALL 
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OUT IN THE AIR AND TALK ABOUT IT. 
          BUT PUBLIC DISCUSSION AND WHAT THEIR CONCERNS ARE AND WHAT THOSE ANSWERS ARE NEED TO BE INVOLVED AS WELL. 
          SO WE'VE GOT THE MOTION AND THE SECOND. 
          WHAT CAN RIFE LINE DO THAT DOESN'T NEED THIS FULL AMOUNT 
          FROM KITCHELL? >> THEY CAN DO WHAT THEY ARE CONTRACTED TO DO THROUGH KITCHELL WITH THE AMOUNT THAT'S LISTED FOR THEM. WE WOULDN'T HAVE THE FOLLOW UP OR COORDINATION OR DESIGNS OR QUESTIONS OR ANY OF THE BACK END STUFF. THEY WOULD BASICALLY JUST GO TO THOSE MEETINGS, LISTEN AND BRING INFORMATION BACK. 
          >> AND THEN AT THAT POINT WE COULD REENGAGE WITH WHAT'S 
          NEEDED FOR DESIGN. >> WE COULD. 
          WE COULD BRING IT BACK AROUND IN SEPTEMBER. 
          MY THOUGHT IN PRODUCING THE ORIGINAL PACKAGE THIS WAY WAS, I'M FEELING A SENSE OF URGENCY FROM THE CITIZENS WITH THE UNKNOWN AND I'M TRYING TO ANSWER QUESTIONS AS SOON AS I CAN. 
          >> IT SOUNDS LIKE IF WE DO THAT WE WILL DRAG IT OUT UNTIL SEPTEMBER AND ONLY CAUSE MORE CONSTERNATION. 
          >> I DON'T LIKE THE WORD DRAGGING OUT, I LIKE THE WORD ENGAGING WITH THEM AND GETTING THEIR CONCERNS. 
          I LOOK AT IT AS DOING IT CORRECTLY. 
          >> I'M NOT SAYING IT'S A WRONG PROCESS. 
          WHETHER THE PUBLIC MEETINGS SCHEDULED? 
          >> I WANT TO BE SURE THAT WE ARE CLEAR TO THE PUBLIC ON THEIR EXPECTATIONS. WE WOULD JUST APPROACH THOSE AS LISTENING SESSIONS. WE ARE STRICTLY GATHERING INFORMATION AT THIS POINT. ANY QUESTIONS WOULD BE ANSWERED AT A FURTHER TIME. THE MEETINGS ARE AT THE END OF AUGUST. SATURDAY AND A THURSDAY EVENING. 
          WE TRY TO DO SOME MEETINGS OUTSIDE THE NORMAL WORK HOURS. 
          SO IF THAT MIGHT BE MORE CONDUCIVE FOR PARENTS, HOMEOWNERS, ANYBODY TO COME WE OFFER A SATURDAY AND AN EVENING 
          OPTION. >> I GUESS I STRUGGLE WITH NOT BEING ABLE TO FIND THE PIECE WHERE WE CAN ANSWER THE QUESTIONS. MAYBE THE SCOPE IS TOO BIG. 
          I DON'T THINK IT'S DESIGNED. THE PROGRAMING -- 
          >> I APOLOGIZE, THESE ARE GREAT THINGS FOR ME TO ALL TALK ABOUT. 
          >> LET ME FINISH. TO THE POINT THAT THE SHERIFF MADE AND THAT JUDGE KING MADE, THERE HAVE BEEN HUNDREDS OF HOURS, AND I WANT TO RESPECT THAT THEY ARE THE SUBJECT MATTER EXPERTS ON THOSE SPACES. THE COURT NEEDS TO ULTIMATELY WEIGH IN, BUT THERE HAS BEEN SO MUCH WORK DONE, AND LOOKING AT THE INFORMATION WHICH I THINK ALL OF US HAVE LOOKED AT AT, SOME MORE THAN OTHERS. BUT I WANT TO BE ABLE TO NOT FRUSTRATE THE PUBLIC IN THOSE MEETINGS. 
          I'M CONCERNED IF WE DON'T HAVE SOME FOLKS THERE TO EVEN SAY, HERE'S WHAT THE PEOPLE IN THOSE BUILDINGS SAID THEY NEEDED. 
          IT'S NOT A DESIGN, IT'S JUST A NEEDS ASSESSMENT PIECE. 
          IF WE DON'T PUT SOME MONEY TOWARD OUR CONSULTANT STAFF, I'M 
          NOT SURE WE CAN MOVE FORWARD. >> WHAT I'VE HEARD COMMISSIONERS SAY IS YOU WANT TO HEAR THE QUESTIONS FIRST AND THEN ENGAGE AND GET QUESTIONS ANSWERED. LET'S GET SOME INFORMATION TO MAYBE ANSWER SOME OF THE QUESTIONS. 
          >> THE MONEY FOR PHASE TWO IS SPENT. 
          THE PROGRAMING, I HAVEN'T SEEN IT, BUT THEY'LL HAVE THAT TO 
          WORK WITH. >> ANY MORE DISCUSSION ON THIS MATTER, WE DO HAVE A MOTION AND A SECOND. 
          >> CAN I ASK A QUESTION JUST FOR DIRECTION SAKE. 
          IS THIS AN AMENDMENT MEANING THAT WE ARE TAKING EXISTING FUNDS FROM PHASE THREE AND MOVING THEM BACK TO PHASE TWO, OR IS THIS AN ADDITIONAL SERVICES TYPE SITUATION, WHERE WE ART -- IT'S AN AMENDMENT. SO IN PHASE THREE WE WILL NOT HAVE THESE FUNDS TO USE. OKAY. 
          >> I HAVEN'T HEARD FROM COMMISSIONER COOK. 
          >> YOU'RE NOT GOING TO. >> OKAY. 
          I THOUGHT EVERYBODY WAS WEIGHING IN TODAY. 
          >> WE HAVE A MOTION AND A SECOND. 
          THANK YOU COURT FOR THE SPIRITED DISCUSSION. 
          ALL IN FAVOR? ALL OPPOSED? 
          [02:05:03]
MOTION DENIES. I'LL MAKE A COUNTER MOTION THAT WE ENGAGE IN ADD FUNDS IN PHASE TWO AS AMENDED WERE RIFE LINE TO ENGAGE WITH THE COMMUNITY AND THEN COME BACK AND MAKE FURTHER CONSIDERATIONS FOR DESIGN AT A LATER COURT DATE. 
          >> THAT WOULD JUST BE THE 140000. 
          >> CORRECT. >> SO JUST TO CLARIFY, YOU DON'T WANT KITCHELL AT THE MEETING OR H OKAY AT THE MEETINGS. 
          >> WE DID NOT PLAN FOR THEM TO BE AT THE MEETINGS. 
          >> THIS IS JUST PUBLIC ENGAGEMENT. 
          >> I'LL PUT THAT TOGETHER AND COME BACK AS A CONSENT ITEM NEXT WEEK, JUST SO WE HAVE IT IN THE MINUTES. 
          >> THANK YOU. SO THAT'S THE MOTION. 
          IS THERE A SECOND? SECOND BY COMMISSIONER BOLES. 
          ANY DISCUSSION ON THIS? ALL IN FAVOR. 
          MOTION PASSES. THANK YOU. 
          AND AGAIN, THANK YOU FOR ALL THE WORK. 
          THANK YOU COMMISSIONER COVEY FOR BEING A CHAMPION FOR THIS PROJECT FOR MANY YEARS. WE WILL TAKE TIME TO HEAR THE COMMUNITY AND TAKE THE NEXT STEPS. 
          BUT I DEFINITELY WANT TO GIVE ALL FIVE OF US ON THE SAME PAGE. 
          >> I WOULD LIKE TO HEAR BACK, ALL THE COMMENTS AND QUESTIONS 
          RAISED BY THE GROUPS PLEASE. >> THANK YOU. 
          AND THANK YOU REBECCA, I KNOW YOU'VE DONE A TON OF WORK AS 
          [36.  Discuss and take appropriate action on the HUD 2026 Annual Action Plan that includes Community Development Block Grant (CDBG) and Emergency Solutions Grant (ESG) funding.]
WELL. ALL RIGHT, 38. 
          WAIT, 36. MY BAD. 
          DISCUSS AND TAKE APPROPRIATE ACTION ON THE HUD 2026 ANNUAL ACTION PLAN THAT INCLUDES COMMUNITY DEVELOPMENT BLOCK GRANT CDBG AND EMERGENCY SOLUTIONS GRANT ESG FUNDING. 
          >> GOOD AFTERNOON. SALLY BARDWELL WITH THE WILLIAMSON COUNTY... THIS IS A FINAL APPROVAL OF THE ACTION PLAN. THE DRAFT WAS APPROVED BY THE COURT JUNE 30TH. IT HAS BEEN OUT FOR PUBLIC COMMENT. WE HAVE NOT RECEIVED ANY COMMENTS. IT INCLUDES THE SAME PROJECTS 
          THAT WERE PREVIOUSLY APPROVED. >> I MOVE APPROVAL. 
          >> MOTION BY COMMISSIONER LONG. I'LL SECOND. 
          ANY DISCUSSION? ALL IN FAVOR? MOTION CARRIES 5-0. THANK YOU FOR YOUR WORK. 
          [38.  Discuss, consider, and take appropriate action on approving of MSA No. 2026-261 for Engineering and Consulting Services of County Flood Warning System with Waterway Engineering, PLLC for a term of two (2) years commencing on the effective date in the not-to-exceed amount of $1,250,000.00 and authorize the execution of the Agreement.  The funding source is 01.0100.0541.004100]
NOW ITEM NUMBER 38, YOU CAN MAKE YOUR WAY UP TO THE FRONT. 
          DISCUSS, CONSIDER AND TAKE APPROPRIATE ACTION ON APPROVING MSA NUMBER 2026-261 FOR ENGINEERING AND CONSULTING SERVICES OF COUNTY FLOOD WARNING SYSTEM IN WATERWAY ENGINEERING PLLC FOR A TERM OF TWO YEARS COMMENCING ON THE EFFECTIVE DATE IN THE NOT TO EXCEED AMOUNT OF $1.25 MILLION AND AUTHORIZING EXECUTION OF THE AGREEMENT. THE FUNDING SOURCE LISTED. 
          >> GOOD MORNING. BRUCE CLEMENTS, CHIEF OF THE OFFICE OF EMERGENCY MANAGEMENT. THIS IS THE SENATE BILL THREE FUNDING, THE 1.25 MILLION THAT EACH OF THE 30 IMPACTED COUNTIES RECEIVED FROM THE FLOODS LAST YEAR. 
          OF THOSE 30 COUNTIES, 20 OF THEM ARE PARTNERING WITH THROUGH THE CENTER LOCAL COOPERATION AGREEMENT. 
          SO 20 OF THE 30 ARE USING THIS AND USING THIS ENGINEERING COMPANY TO CARRY OUT THIS WORK. I HAVE HAD A MEETING WITH THE PRINCIPAL. A LITTLE CONCERNED ABOUT THEIR ABILITY TO CARRY IT OUT WITH THAT MANY. 
          BUT I DO HAVE QUITE A BIT OF CONFIDENCE IN THEM AND THEIR ABILITY TO TAKE CARE OF THIS. THERE'S REALLY THREE PARTS TO THIS. THE FIRST THAT WE WILL DO IS A TECHNICAL REVIEW OF FLOOD MAPPING AND MODELING AND FROM THAT DETERMINE THE AREAS NOT ONLY WHERE WE HAVE THE GREATEST FLASH FLOOD RISK BUT THE AREAS WHERE A FLOOD SIREN MAKES SENSE AND CAN SAVE LIVES. SO WE WILL COME UP WITH THAT PLAN, AND THEN I'LL BRING THAT BACK TO THE COURT BY THE END OF NOVEMBER FOR YOUR APPROVAL. FROM THAT POINT IN TIME WE WILL HAVE EIGHT MONTHS TO COMPLETE THE WORK, BY WHATEVER SIRENS AND INSTALL THOSE THINGS AND BUILD ON TOP OF OUR CURRENT SYSTEM WHICH INCLUDES 17 FLOOD GAUGES. THE IDEA HERE IS TO START BUILDING AN INTEGRATED FLOOD EARLY WARNING SYSTEM WHERE WE CAN LINK ALL THESE THINGS TOGETHER AND BETTER PREDICT WHEN 
          WE NEED TO EVACUATE AREAS. >> THANK YOU. 
          ANY QUESTIONS FROM THE COURT? >> IS THIS JUST THE ENGINEERING, DOES IT INCLUDE ANY PIECES LIKE FLOOD MONITORING DEVICES. 
          WE'VE TALKED ABOUT... IS THIS JUST THE ENGINEERING, OR IS THIS ACTUALLY SOME OF THE ACTUAL DEVICES? 
          >> THIS IS THE ENGINEERING PORTION OF THIS, COMING UP WITH THE ACTUAL PLAN. WE CAN CONTINUE TO WORK WITH THIS ENGINEERING COMPANY TO ACTUALLY PURCHASE THE DEVICES AND HAVE THEM HELP US COORDINATE WITH THE INSTALLATION, BUT WE AREN'T NECESSARILY BOUND TO DO THAT. 
          [02:10:01]
WE SPECIFICALLY WANT TO GO OUT AND PURCHASE ANYTHING THAT MAY DEVIATE FROM WHAT THEY ARE DOING AS WELL. 
          >> GOOD QUESTION. ANY MORE QUESTIONS? 
          I MAKE A MOTION THAT WE APPROVE. >> SECOND. 
          >> SECOND BY COMMISSIONER BOLES. ALL IN FAVOR? 
          [42.  Discuss, consider, and take appropriate action on approving the Agreement for Construction Services No. 2026-036 between Williamson County and Red Oak Construction, LLC for the Jail-Gym Renovation in the not-to-exceed amount of Three Hundred Twenty-Three Thousand Four Hundred Thirty-Five and 33/100 Dollars ($323,435.33) pursuant to Choice Partners Contract #25/033MR-40 and authorize execution of the agreement (Funding source is 01.0100.0509.004509).]
          [43.  Discuss, consider, and take appropriate action by awarding RFP #26RFP43—Generator Maintenance and Repair Services to Allegiant Generator Services NA, LLC in the not-to-exceed amount of Two Hundred Thousand Dollars $200,000.00 per fiscal year, effective October 1, 2026, and authorize execution of the agreement (The funding sources are 01.0100.0509.004500, 01.0100.0509.004510 and 01.0100.0507.004510).]
          [44.  Discuss, consider, and take appropriate action by awarding RFP #26RFP43—Generator Maintenance and Repair Services Backup Contract to Clifford Power Systems, Inc. in the not-to-exceed amount of Two Hundred Thousand Dollars $200,000.00 per fiscal year, effective October 1, 2026, and authorize execution of the agreement (The funding sources are 01.0100.0509.004500, 01.0100.0509.004510 and 01.0100.0507.004510).]
MOTION CARRIES. THANK YOU. 
          ALL RIGHT, COURT. ITEMS 42, 43, AND 44 ALL CONCERNED FACILITIES. 42 IS RENOVATION IN THE JAIL FOR THE GYM TO CREATE SOME SEPARATED SPACE. 
          THEN WE HAVE GENERATOR MAINTENANCE AND REPAIR, PRIMARY AND SECONDARY FOR ITEMS 43 AND 44. 
          I'LL ENTERTAIN A MOTION FOR ONE OR ALL MOTION BY COMMISSIONER COVEY. ALL IN FAVOR? 
          [45.  Discuss, consider, and take appropriate action on a Consent and Development Agreement between Williamson County, Pinehurst Builders, LLC, and the proposed Williamson County Municipal Utility District No. 67.]
          [46.  Discuss, consider, and take appropriate action on a First Amendment to and Assignment of Consent and Development Agreement between Williamson County, The Johnson Development Corp. and CR 207, LP.]
          [47.  Discuss, consider, and take appropriate action on a purchase contract with SKYI Group LLC, a Georgia Limited Liability Company to acquire 1.301-acres needed as right of way and 0.158 -acres of the remainder property for the Corridor A2 project (Parcel 20).]
          [48.  Discuss, consider and take appropriate action on a purchase contract with Gladys M. Lamb Revocable Living Trust to acquire 0.218-acres needed as right of way on the CR 201 project (Parcel 54).]
          [49.  Discuss, consider and take appropriate action on a deed without warranty with the Williamson County Board of Education. ]
          [50.  Discuss, consider and take appropriate action on the first amendment to the real estate contract with Klatt Properties LLC, Successor by Conversion to Klatt Properties, LP for right of way acquired for the Seward Junction north-east loop project (Parcel 20).]
          [51.  Discuss, consider and take appropriate action on 4 claims for actual moving expenses related to acquired right of way for the Ronald Reagan C project Parcel 32. ]
MOTION CARRIES. THANK YOU. 
          ITEMS 45 THROUGH 51 ARE THE PAYMENT OF BILLS FOR ROAD AND BRIDGE. I WILL TAKE A MOTION FOR ONE OR 
          ALL ITEMS. >> JUDGE, I'LL MOVE THAT WE GO ALL THE WAY, 45 THROUGH 50 FOR PAYING THOSE BILLS. 
          51. I'LL GO TO 51. 
          >> SECOND. >> MOTION BY COMMISSIONER COOK TO APPROVE ITEMS 45 THROUGH 51. ALL IN FAVOR? 
          [ EXECUTIVE SESSION "The Commissioners Court for Williamson County reserves the right to adjourn into executive session at any time during the course of this meeting to discuss any of the matters listed above, as authorized by Texas Government Code Sections 551.071 (Consultations with Attorney), 551.072 (Deliberations regarding Real Property), 551.073 (Deliberations regarding Gifts and Donations), 551.074 (Personnel Matters), 551.076 (Deliberations regarding Security Devices) and 551.087 (Deliberations regarding Economic Development Negotiations)."]
MOTION CARRIES 5-0. AT THIS POINT WE WILL RECESS TO EXECUTIVE SESSION. WE WILL DISCUSS ITEMS 52A AND B UNDER ATTORNEY CLIENT LEGAL MATTERS, TEXAS GOVERNMENT CODE 551.071. WE WILL DISCUSS ITEM 53, DISCUSS AND CONSIDER EMPLOYEE FORMAL GRIEVANCE APPEAL REGARDING THE FIRE MARSHAL PURSUANT TO TEXAS GOVERNMENT CODE 551.074, AND I BELIEVE THAT'S IT. IS THAT ACCURATE? ALL RIGHT. THE TIME IS 11:46. 
          THANK YOU. 
          >> YES, I APOLOGIZE. YOU WANT TO DO THEM NOW? I HATE TO MAKE YOU WAIT. SCRATCH THE RECESS. 
          I HATE TO DO IT. I HATE TO MAKE BILL WAIT, SO COME ON UP. YOU HAVE 2 MINUTES. 
          OFF AGENDA ITEMS. I'M SORRY. 
          RECONVENE. SORRY, BILL. 
          RECONVENE AT 11:46 FOR PUBLIC COMMENTS OFF THE AGENDA ITEMS. 
          >> REAL QUICKLY, THERE'S A TREE ISSUE I BROUGHT TO COMMISSIONER COVEY SOME TIME BACK THAT HASN'T BEEN DONE. 
          I HAVE SENT PICTURES, PHONE CALLS, MESSAGES. 
          JUST A POINT OF BEING IN THE NEW COURTROOM, MY DRIVE IS FURTHER THROUGH MORE TRAFFIC AND MORE RED LIGHTS. 
          ONE OF THE ISSUES I HAD WAS LEAVING MY PROPERTY THIS MORNING, MY DRIVEWAY WHERE I EXIT MY LOW LEVEL CAR THAT ONLY GOES OUT TO ONE SPOT, THERE WAS A ROAD SIGN FOR ROAD WORK BEING DONE BLOCKING MY EXIT. AND RECENTLY I HAVE HAD MOTORISTS COMING ACROSS. I ENCOURAGE EVERYONE TO READ THE NINTH AMENDMENT ON THE HUMAN RIGHTS OF CITIZENS, U.S. CONSTITUTION ARTICLE ONE, SECTION 29. 
          241-242. THE FEDERAL CODES. 
          I HAVE ON MY PROPERTY A TRESPASS SIGN IN COMPLIANCE WITH CRIMINAL CODE 30.05. AND SPECIFICALLY THE MAIN POINT HERE IS THAT I GRANTED AN EASEMENT TO THE WILLIAMSON COUNTY IN FEBRUARY 1990 AND SPECIFICALLY IT WAS ONLY FOR MAINTAINING THE CURRENT PAVEMENT AT THAT TIME AND NOT TO EXPAND ANYTHING AND NOT TO EXPAND YOUR THOUGHTS THAT YOU HAVE ANYTHING OR ANY RIGHT TO COME ONTO THE PROPERTY AND THAT ALL OF THAT PROPERTY, BECAUSE I PAY TAXES ON THAT REAL ESTATE, I OWN THAT REAL ESTATE AND I'D LIKE THE COUNTY TO CONTINUE TO OPERATE WITHIN THE BOUNDS OF WHAT THEY WERE GRANTED. I GIVE YOU A COPY OF THIS SO YOU CAN READ IT, IT'S AN OLD DOCUMENT. 
          I TRIED TO FIND IT OUT ON COUNTY RECORDS WHERE I ORIGINALLY GOT THIS FROM AND IT SEEMS TO HAVE DISAPPEARED, BUT I KEPT A COPY. 
          >> THANK YOU. WE WILL ACCEPT THAT COPY. 
          [02:15:05]
AT THIS POINT, WE WILL NOW RECESS TO EXECUTIVE SESSION ON 
          THE PREVIOUSLY MENTIONED AGENDA >> ALL RIGHT, TELL ME WHEN YOU 
          ARE READY. >> ALL RIGHT, WE ARE READY. 
          THE TIME IS 12:46 AND WE RECONVENED FROM EXECUTIVE SESSION. WE WILL MOVE TO 57, DISCUSS 
          [57.  Discuss, consider, and take appropriate action on an employee formal grievance appeal from the Fire Marshal's Office pursuant to Section 08.05 of the Employee Policy Manual.]
CONSIDER TAKE APPROPRIATE ACTION ON AN EMPLOYEE FORMAL GRIEVANCE APPEAL FROM THE FARO FIRE MARSHAL'S OFFICE PURSUANT TO SEX 08.05 OF THE EMPLOYEE POLICY MANUAL. 
          >> JUDGE, I MAKE A MOTION THAT PURSUANT TO SECTION 80.05 OF THE EMPLOYEE POLICY MANUAL THE COMMISSIONER'S COURT HAS HEARD AND DELIBERATED THE APPEAL PURSUANT TO THE SECTION, THE GOVERNMENT CODE AND THAT THE COURT UPHOLD THE INVESTIGATION FINDINGS AND CONCLUSIONS OF THE SENIOR DIRECTOR OF EMERGENCY SERVICES IN RESPONSE TO THE ORIGINAL GRIEVANCE, AND TO THAT ANY ADDITIONAL INFORMATION SUBMITTED BY THE EMPLOYEE BE ON THE ORIGINAL GRIEVANCE, WILL BE DELIVERED TO THE SENIOR DIRECTOR OF EMERGENCY SERVICES FOR REVIEW AND RESPONSE AT HIS DISCRETION. 
          THAT'S MY MOTION. >> ALL RIGHT, WE HAVE A MOTION. 
          IS THERE A SECOND. >> I SECOND. 
          >> HEARD SECOND BY COMMISSIONERKOVVY FIRST. 
          ANY DISCUSSION? ALL IN FAVOR? MOTION CARRIES 5-0. THAT MOVES US TO ITEM 58, COMMENTS FROM COMMISSIONERS. ANY COMMENTS, HEARING NONE? WE WILL ADJOURN THE MEETING AT 12:47, THANK YOU
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